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Gerardo escribió:belmont escribió:segun quien ?? segun tu ?? bien es tu opinion por ejemplo la mia es que hoy lo mejor que hay esta en chile y si estoy deacuerdo contigo mucha es habladera de guebonada pero esas guebonadas cuando les interesa la region es solo colombia , brasil y guyana y cuando no es el imperioHOY, amigos HOY es el mejor avion de la region, entiendase region, nuestra area circundante, osea Brasil, Colombia Guyana y el Caribe y lo sera como minimo hasta 2016 si somos optimistas con el FX2 de Brasil, pq aunque Colombia se monte en unos F-16 Block-30 o algo por el estilo que lo dudo pq han jalado y guindado de las bolas gringas como si fueran tarzan y nada de F-16 para ellos
Y sera que Chile esta en nuestra region o mejor dicho en nuestra area de intereses?![]()
Claro los F-22 son mejres, los rafale de Francia son mejores los EFA Europeos son mejores, pero esos no son nuestra area de intereses
Contra USA lo unico es o guerra nuclear o guerra asimetrica, mas nada
Correcto nuevamente.
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Correcto; Su opinion.Sgt.Elias escribió:Estoy totalmente con belmont... esa es SU opinion...
Cada quien tiene la suya y la presenta. Eso es lo que hace grande a un Pais.
Por lo menos la mia:
Todos estan claros que el SU30 MK2 no es una estrella de la muerte para nadie,
menos para el Imperio.
Lo que escribimos es que es un excelente avion para nuestras necesidades en la region,
comprado y elegido como todo Pais soberano.
Que la compra fue apropiada en tiempo, a lo que podiamos al momento sin caer en el Veto
y que tenemos Pilotos muy bien entrenados en estos momentos;
aparte del conocimientos adquiridos por los tecnicos.
¿Que pudo ser mejor?:no lo discutimos,simplemente se eligio esta via.
Quitese la obsecion de una guerra con el Imperio con armamento convencional.
Eso es lo que quieren los vecinos. No tendremos guerra. Todos queremos PAZ y
si la hubiese en un futuro,tenga por seguro que no sera con aviones ni tanques.
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Chamoo... tienes una pataleta ahí tu solo...
Lo que falta es que en los titulos diga..."quierrrooo missss F-16ssssssss""""
Lo que falta es que en los titulos diga..."quierrrooo missss F-16ssssssss""""
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Con mis f-16 no te metas.... jejeje
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belmont escribió:segun quien ?? segun tu ?? bien es tu opinion por ejemplo la mia es que hoy lo mejor que hay esta en chile y si estoy deacuerdo contigo mucha es habladera de guebonada pero esas guebonadas cuando les interesa la region es solo colombia , brasil y guyana y cuando no es el imperioHOY, amigos HOY es el mejor avion de la region, entiendase region, nuestra area circundante, osea Brasil, Colombia Guyana y el Caribe y lo sera como minimo hasta 2016 si somos optimistas con el FX2 de Brasil, pq aunque Colombia se monte en unos F-16 Block-30 o algo por el estilo que lo dudo pq han jalado y guindado de las bolas gringas como si fueran tarzan y nada de F-16 para ellos
Pero como tú quieres nadar en rios amazónicos con mochilas de 30 kg,y gerardo sabe que es una estupidez esa idea,entonces es obvio quien es el serio y quien es el loco,así que uno toma la opinión,dependiendo de quién venga,si usted quiere creer,crea,tenga fé y entre en trance,es su derecho.

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+2Daniel Ramirez (Zucarito) escribió:Gerardo escribió:belmont escribió:
segun quien ?? segun tu ?? bien es tu opinion por ejemplo la mia es que hoy lo mejor que hay esta en chile y si estoy deacuerdo contigo mucha es habladera de guebonada pero esas guebonadas cuando les interesa la region es solo colombia , brasil y guyana y cuando no es el imperio
Y sera que Chile esta en nuestra region o mejor dicho en nuestra area de intereses?![]()
Claro los F-22 son mejres, los rafale de Francia son mejores los EFA Europeos son mejores, pero esos no son nuestra area de intereses
Contra USA lo unico es o guerra nuclear o guerra asimetrica, mas nada
Correcto nuevamente.
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¿cómo es el mantenimiento de los chukis?? Cada cuantas horas de vuelo ??
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No se les hace tan dificil como los F22gustavog182 escribió:¿cómo es el mantenimiento de los chukis?? Cada cuantas horas de vuelo ??
No terminan de ponerlos en la Fuerza y ya los estan descartandoLa USAF encarga a Lockheed mantener el utillaje del F-22
La USAF ha decidido preservar el utillaje del F-22 después de que la cadena de producción en Marietta, Georgia, se clausure en el 2012. La decisión significa que será posible reparar y modernizar los aviones en servicio, o producir más aparatos.
El utillaje que se necesite a medio plazo permanecerá en la planta, y el resto se preservará y almacenará en contenedores metálicos, para reducir el coste de almacenamiento.

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Estan hablando de las herramientas, maquinas y andamiaje necesario para construirlo.
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El F-22 es un quebradero de cabezas de mantenimiento, la relacion horas de vuelo con horas de mantenimiento es increible....
Re: Sujoi Su-30 MK2
Gerardo escribió:El F-22 es un quebradero de cabezas de mantenimiento, la relacion horas de vuelo con horas de mantenimiento es increible....
eso lo dice la USAF o lo dices tu?
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Premier U.S. Fighter Jet Has Major Shortcomings
F-22's Maintenance Demands Growing
Critics inside and outside the Pentagon say the Lockheed Martin F-22 suffers from maintenance issues and a design conceived during the Cold War. (Reuters)
An F-22 executes a supersonic flyby of an aircraft carrier. The plane's capabilities are impressive, defenders say. But critics cite a number of shortcomings in its design, particularly in its high-tech skin.
An F-22 executes a supersonic flyby of an aircraft carrier. The plane's capabilities are impressive, defenders say. But critics cite a number of shortcomings in its design, particularly in its high-tech skin. (U.s. Navy Via Associated Press)
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By R. Jeffrey Smith
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, July 10, 2009
The United States' top fighter jet, the Lockheed Martin F-22, has recently required more than 30 hours of maintenance for every hour in the skies, pushing its hourly cost of flying to more than $44,000, a far higher figure than for the warplane it replaces, confidential Pentagon test results show.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/09/AR2009070903020.html
USAF Performs First Long-Term F-22 Raptor Maintenance
11 August 2010
he US Air Force has performed the first accelerated packaged maintenance plan (PMP) on a deployed F-22 Raptor aircraft.
The PMP, performed by airmen of the 27th Expeditionary Aircraft Maintenance Unit, is scheduled, long-term, heavy maintenance on a fighter aircraft performed after every 300 flight hours.
It normally takes a month to complete, but deployed unit officials are tasked to accomplish an accelerated PMP in ten days.
During the PMP, a low observable team will select any panels the PMP inspection team may need to get into.
The inspection team will check their list to ensure everything is operational, and re-panel the aircraft and hand it back over to the low observable team for re-layering the jet.
An aircraft is grounded and will not be allowed to fly until it has gone through a proper inspection once it comes within 30 to 40 flight hours to its next scheduled PMP.
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mira lo que es una noticia mal interpretada:
mira la original de la cual esa la derivaron (sindrome de carlitos hernandez)
First ever deployed PMP performed on Andersen
August 6, 2010 (by A1C Anthony Jennings) - History
was made Aug. 4, as the first accelerated packaged maintenance plan, or
PMP, on an F-22 Raptor in a deployed environment came toa conclusion.
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Members of the 27th Expeditionary Aircraft Maintenance Unit, deployed here from Langley AFB,
Va., completed what has never been done with a fifth-generation
aircraft before. A PMP is a scheduled, long-term, heavy maintenance on a
fighter aircraft, performed every 300 flight hours.
"It's much like your car," said 2nd Lt. Lauren Chaffee, 27th
Expeditionary Fighter Squadron. "Every few thousand miles you bring it
in for a tune up. Well with fighter aircraft, it's every 300 flight
hours."
The process normally takes a month complete. The deployed unit was tasked to accomplish an accelerated PMP in 10 days.
"A dedicated team of 16 personnel working 12-hour shifts around the
clock, to get the job done made this possible," said 1st Lt. Ikedinachi
Akagha, 27th EAMU. "It's just incredible we were able to get this, not
only planned, but executed. Everything fell into place so well over
these past ten days."
The project has been in the works since January. The unit went over
several scenarios to try and predict what could go wrong before anything
actually did.
"We were, in essence, trying to build the perfect plan for a jet that
has never had an inspection of this magnitude," Lieutenant Akagha said.
"With the aircraft being relatively new, the engineers and maintainers
are still finding issues, as with any new aircraft."
"You are going to have to address some changes that are needed so you
can apply those lessons learned to newer aircraft," he added.
In order to meet their goal, they started by re-doing the entire schedule.
"Usually we have each team on the aircraft separately," said Lieutenant
Akagha. "With the accelerated PMP, we tried to consolidate everything.
We had to figure out how many different agencies or teams can we have on
the jet at once."
A low observable team would pick off any panels the PMP inspection team
may need to get into. The inspection team then runs through their list
of checks ensuring everything is operational. They then re-panel the
aircraft and hand it back over to the low observable team so they can
re-layer the jet.
"Despite the crunch, high ops tempo and stress of just performing a
month-long inspection in such a limited time, we pulled it off which is
just huge," Lieutenant Akagha said.
Once an aircraft comes within 30 to 40 flight hours to its next
scheduled PMP, it is grounded and won't be allowed to fly until it has
gone through a proper inspection. There are different criteria at the
300, 600 and 900 marks. This particular jet was at its 900 hour mark,
which can be the most intense and comprehensive inspection, said
Lieutenant Akagha.
"With potential threats and the potential for conflict in this region,
we need to ensure there is a plan in place in case we have to send jets
to fight when there is too little time between its next flight and next
PMP," he said.
"It's better to send a jet that is fresh and inspected and ready to
fight for a long period of time. This was kind of an experiment to see
if it could, in fact, be done and we did it."
Courtesy of 36th Wing Public Affairs
ves la diferencia?
una noticia que es positiva la transforman en algo que pareciera negativo...
otra representativa de la realidad:
July 7, 2010 (by TSgt. Betty J. Squatrito-Martin) - Leaders from the Pacific Air Forces (PACAF), the 13th Air Force, the 15th Airlift Wing and the Hawaii National Guard gathered on the edge of the Hawaii ANG's 154th Wing fighter ramp to break ground for the new F-22 Raptor Low Observable Composite Repair Facility.

Gen.
Gary L North (center), PACAF commander leads Hickam AFB leadership in
ground breaking for the F-22 Low Observable Composite Repair Facility.
The Hawaii ANG is replacing their F-15 Eagles with the F-22 Raptor. The
HIANG is scheduled to receive their first F-22 in July.
The facility will cost more than $23 million and is the first of eight
construction projects totaling $144 million that will be built over the
next few years to support the F-22 at Hickam. Projected to be completed
in October 2011, the facility will provide a secure and environmentally
controlled structure in which to maintain and repair the radar evading
skin of the F-22.
"This facility will enable an incredible platform to be the best in the world," said Gen. Gary L. North, PACAF commander. "It will ensure that we can protect our nation's skies and project power into the Pacific and beyond."
Pastor Kelikona Bishau from the Real Life Christian Center performed a
Hawaiian-style blessing with Hawaiian salt, water and it leaves before
Gen. North and Maj. Gen. Robert G. F. Lee, the state adjutant general,
untied a maile lei and leaders from the various military organizations
and the contractor ceremonially broke ground.
Su Yong Yi, from Su Mo Builders, Inc., the main contractor, said he was
humbled by the importance of this ceremony and construction of this
state-of-the-art project. "Working on this is our way of helping the
national defense," said Mr. Yi. "This project is going to be very
technical. We're going to have to be very diligent. The main thing is
safety."
Technical Sergeant Kevin Prielipp, an active duty Airman, was assigned
to Hawaii in February from Langley Air Force Base, Va., to assist with
the F-22 program here. "I spent four years at Langley working on the
Raptors. I can say from experience that maintaining the aircraft is very
labor intensive and unique." Prielipp is one of approximately 100
active duty Airmen who will be Total Force integrated with the Hawaii
Air National Guard maintaining the F-22's at Hickam.
For Master Sergeant Karl Brueggmann, a member of the Hawaii Air National
Guard's 154th Maintenance Squadron, and the F-22 Program Integration
Office, this Friday was a special day. "I had the chance to visit the
facilities at Langley and then come back and provide inputs on the
design of our building. We helped with the floor design, the shop set
up, safety and environmental controls." Brueggmann was also proud of the
energy efficiency aspects of the building, including photovoltaic cells
on the roof that will provide part of the electricity for the facility.
A total of 20 F-22 Raptors will replace the HIANG's F-15 Eagles at
Hickam. A mix of 154th Wing and 15 Airlift Wing pilots and maintainers
will fly and maintain those 'fifth generation' aircraft.
Courtesy of 154th Wing Public Affairs
(Lt. Col. Charles Anthony contributed to this story)
no sabias que los cazas de Quinta generacion necesitan mas mantenimiento para proteger sus recubrimientos antirradar?
o que crees que es un avion de metal pulio que con una pinturita sherwin-williams ya estan listos...
mira la original de la cual esa la derivaron (sindrome de carlitos hernandez)
First ever deployed PMP performed on Andersen
August 6, 2010 (by A1C Anthony Jennings) - History
was made Aug. 4, as the first accelerated packaged maintenance plan, or
PMP, on an F-22 Raptor in a deployed environment came toa conclusion.
GA_googleCreateDomIframe("google_ads_div_F-16_News_Article_MR_Top_ad_container" ,"F-16_News_Article_MR_Top");
Members of the 27th Expeditionary Aircraft Maintenance Unit, deployed here from Langley AFB,
Va., completed what has never been done with a fifth-generation
aircraft before. A PMP is a scheduled, long-term, heavy maintenance on a
fighter aircraft, performed every 300 flight hours.
"It's much like your car," said 2nd Lt. Lauren Chaffee, 27th
Expeditionary Fighter Squadron. "Every few thousand miles you bring it
in for a tune up. Well with fighter aircraft, it's every 300 flight
hours."
The process normally takes a month complete. The deployed unit was tasked to accomplish an accelerated PMP in 10 days.
"A dedicated team of 16 personnel working 12-hour shifts around the
clock, to get the job done made this possible," said 1st Lt. Ikedinachi
Akagha, 27th EAMU. "It's just incredible we were able to get this, not
only planned, but executed. Everything fell into place so well over
these past ten days."
The project has been in the works since January. The unit went over
several scenarios to try and predict what could go wrong before anything
actually did.
"We were, in essence, trying to build the perfect plan for a jet that
has never had an inspection of this magnitude," Lieutenant Akagha said.
"With the aircraft being relatively new, the engineers and maintainers
are still finding issues, as with any new aircraft."
"You are going to have to address some changes that are needed so you
can apply those lessons learned to newer aircraft," he added.
In order to meet their goal, they started by re-doing the entire schedule.
"Usually we have each team on the aircraft separately," said Lieutenant
Akagha. "With the accelerated PMP, we tried to consolidate everything.
We had to figure out how many different agencies or teams can we have on
the jet at once."
A low observable team would pick off any panels the PMP inspection team
may need to get into. The inspection team then runs through their list
of checks ensuring everything is operational. They then re-panel the
aircraft and hand it back over to the low observable team so they can
re-layer the jet.
"Despite the crunch, high ops tempo and stress of just performing a
month-long inspection in such a limited time, we pulled it off which is
just huge," Lieutenant Akagha said.
Once an aircraft comes within 30 to 40 flight hours to its next
scheduled PMP, it is grounded and won't be allowed to fly until it has
gone through a proper inspection. There are different criteria at the
300, 600 and 900 marks. This particular jet was at its 900 hour mark,
which can be the most intense and comprehensive inspection, said
Lieutenant Akagha.
"With potential threats and the potential for conflict in this region,
we need to ensure there is a plan in place in case we have to send jets
to fight when there is too little time between its next flight and next
PMP," he said.
"It's better to send a jet that is fresh and inspected and ready to
fight for a long period of time. This was kind of an experiment to see
if it could, in fact, be done and we did it."
Courtesy of 36th Wing Public Affairs
ves la diferencia?
una noticia que es positiva la transforman en algo que pareciera negativo...
otra representativa de la realidad:
F-22 Raptor News F-22 repair facility ground breaking |
July 7, 2010 (by TSgt. Betty J. Squatrito-Martin) - Leaders from the Pacific Air Forces (PACAF), the 13th Air Force, the 15th Airlift Wing and the Hawaii National Guard gathered on the edge of the Hawaii ANG's 154th Wing fighter ramp to break ground for the new F-22 Raptor Low Observable Composite Repair Facility.
addthis_pub = 'f16net'; 

Gen.
Gary L North (center), PACAF commander leads Hickam AFB leadership in
ground breaking for the F-22 Low Observable Composite Repair Facility.
The Hawaii ANG is replacing their F-15 Eagles with the F-22 Raptor. The
HIANG is scheduled to receive their first F-22 in July.
The facility will cost more than $23 million and is the first of eight
construction projects totaling $144 million that will be built over the
next few years to support the F-22 at Hickam. Projected to be completed
in October 2011, the facility will provide a secure and environmentally
controlled structure in which to maintain and repair the radar evading
skin of the F-22.
"This facility will enable an incredible platform to be the best in the world," said Gen. Gary L. North, PACAF commander. "It will ensure that we can protect our nation's skies and project power into the Pacific and beyond."
Pastor Kelikona Bishau from the Real Life Christian Center performed a
Hawaiian-style blessing with Hawaiian salt, water and it leaves before
Gen. North and Maj. Gen. Robert G. F. Lee, the state adjutant general,
untied a maile lei and leaders from the various military organizations
and the contractor ceremonially broke ground.
Su Yong Yi, from Su Mo Builders, Inc., the main contractor, said he was
humbled by the importance of this ceremony and construction of this
state-of-the-art project. "Working on this is our way of helping the
national defense," said Mr. Yi. "This project is going to be very
technical. We're going to have to be very diligent. The main thing is
safety."
Technical Sergeant Kevin Prielipp, an active duty Airman, was assigned
to Hawaii in February from Langley Air Force Base, Va., to assist with
the F-22 program here. "I spent four years at Langley working on the
Raptors. I can say from experience that maintaining the aircraft is very
labor intensive and unique." Prielipp is one of approximately 100
active duty Airmen who will be Total Force integrated with the Hawaii
Air National Guard maintaining the F-22's at Hickam.
For Master Sergeant Karl Brueggmann, a member of the Hawaii Air National
Guard's 154th Maintenance Squadron, and the F-22 Program Integration
Office, this Friday was a special day. "I had the chance to visit the
facilities at Langley and then come back and provide inputs on the
design of our building. We helped with the floor design, the shop set
up, safety and environmental controls." Brueggmann was also proud of the
energy efficiency aspects of the building, including photovoltaic cells
on the roof that will provide part of the electricity for the facility.
A total of 20 F-22 Raptors will replace the HIANG's F-15 Eagles at
Hickam. A mix of 154th Wing and 15 Airlift Wing pilots and maintainers
will fly and maintain those 'fifth generation' aircraft.
Courtesy of 154th Wing Public Affairs
(Lt. Col. Charles Anthony contributed to this story)
no sabias que los cazas de Quinta generacion necesitan mas mantenimiento para proteger sus recubrimientos antirradar?
o que crees que es un avion de metal pulio que con una pinturita sherwin-williams ya estan listos...
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y una recomendacion... cuando intentes traer noticias o argumentar con alguna de ella, busca las fuentes originales u oficiales de la misma...
es decir, los unicos que pueden hablar sobre el mantenimiento del F-22 son los mecanicos de las unidades (a traves de sus departamentos de relaciones publicas) el comandante de la USAF, el Secretario de la USAF o el Secretario de defensa de los EEUU
lo demas es habladera de paja y guevonadas!
es decir, los unicos que pueden hablar sobre el mantenimiento del F-22 son los mecanicos de las unidades (a traves de sus departamentos de relaciones publicas) el comandante de la USAF, el Secretario de la USAF o el Secretario de defensa de los EEUU
lo demas es habladera de paja y guevonadas!
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Y probablemente el PAK-FA sea el mismo paquete, para los que estan considerando esa posibilidad.
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