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santanderista escribió:he  visto  tus  post ,  mentiroso  patológico , las  firmas , los  nombres  los  avatar , las ip ..  estas  en  casi  todos  los  foros  colombianos , moderas  un poco  pero  mantienes  la  misma  identidad ,,  que no es tan difícil  de averiguar

11 marzo 2014
‘Chuzadas’ del DAS: piden el testimonio de Álvaro Uribe
JUDICIALLa declaración busca apoyar la defensa del exsecretario general de la Presidencia Bernardo Moreno.


El expresidente podría testificar en el proceso contra Bernardo Moreno.
Foto: SEMANA.

santanderista escribió:he  visto  tus  post ,  mentiroso  patológico , las  firmas , los  nombres  los  avatar , las ip ..  estas  en  casi  todos  los  foros  colombianos , moderas  un poco  pero  mantienes  la  misma  identidad ,,  que no es tan difícil  de averiguar

nick7777 escribió:¿Y que le pasa a la narcomierda esta de santanderista?,acá cada quien puede estar en donde le salga su real gana,para eso paga su internet,además:¿que hay de bueno en el forucho choro de moderadores choros para que valga la pena estar allá?,y si el pana dice que no,se le cree,a tí si que no se te puede creer nada,el propio narcolombitch mitómano ,resentido y acomplejado.  

santanderista escribió:orinoco  eres  un  mentirosillo  patológico  no  tienes  remedio ,,  en  fin
les  traigo  un datico q se esta  barajando , obvio  que  apenas  son  sueños  mojados  en las  cabezas  de la  fac  ,pero  parece  que  nuestra  hermana  república democrática de  estados  unidos  ,  esta  interesada en  facilitar  una  negociación  F18

Ch0pos escribió:

Sería justicia después de tenerlos totalmente enyucados durante 15 años.

orinoco_man escribió:Entre F 16 y F 18, mejor son los F 18, ya que no hay mucha diferencia en cuanto al costo operacional de los dos, pero si en cuanto a su radio de accion. Sobre todo si estan buscando un avion de supremacia aerea.

nick7777 escribió:

orinoco_man escribió:Entre F 16 y F 18, mejor son los F 18, ya que no hay mucha diferencia en cuanto al costo operacional de los dos, pero si en cuanto a su radio de accion. Sobre todo si estan buscando un avion de supremacia aerea.

¿F-18?    ,NO pana,los únicos f-18 que veremos serán los superthornet de los gringos...,si lo dice santanderista,es mentira.

orinoco_man escribió:Entre F 16 y F 18, mejor son los F 18, ya que no hay mucha diferencia en cuanto al costo operacional de los dos, pero si en cuanto a su radio de accion. Sobre todo si estan buscando un avion de supremacia aerea.

Ch0pos escribió:

orinoco_man escribió:Entre F 16 y F 18, mejor son los F 18, ya que no hay mucha diferencia en cuanto al costo operacional de los dos, pero si en cuanto a su radio de accion. Sobre todo si estan buscando un avion de supremacia aerea.

Nada mas con el hecho de que el F-18 es bimotor, ya aumenta considerableme el precio de compra y sobretodo el gasto de mantenimiento.

orinoco_man escribió: Yo si fuera Colombia, y no tengo mucha plata para invertir en un sistema F 18, me hubiese ido por un Su 27.

Gripen operational cost lowest of all western fighters: Jane’s

The study conducted by IHS Jane's Aerospace and Defense Consulting, compared the operational costs of the Gripen, Lockheed Martin F-16, Boeing F/A-18 Super Hornet, Dassault’s Rafale, Eurofighter Typhoon and the F-35 aircraft.



The operational cost of the Swedish Saab Gripen aircraft is the lowest among a flightline of modern fighters, confirmed a White Paper submitted by the respected international defense publishing group IHS Jane’s, in response to a study commissioned by Saab.

The paper says that in terms of ‘fuel used, pre-flight preparation and repair, and scheduled airfield-level maintenance together with associated personnel costs’, “The Saab Gripen is the least expensive of the aircraft under study in terms of cost per flight hour (CPFH).”

The study, conducted by Edward Hunt, Senior Consultant, at IHS Jane’s Aerospace and Defense Consulting, compared the operational costs of the Gripen, Lockheed Martin F-16, Boeing F/A-18 Super Hornet, Dassault’s Rafale, Eurofighter Typhoon and the F-35 aircraft.

“At an estimated $4,700 per hour (2012 USD), the Gripen compares very favorably with the Block 40 / 50 F-16s which are its closest competitor at an estimated $7,000 per hour,” says the report, adding, “The F-35 and twin-engined designs are all significantly more expensive per flight hour owing to their larger size, heavier fuel usage and increased number of airframe and systems parts to be maintained and repaired. IHS Jane’s believes that aircraft unit cost and size is therefore roughly indicative of comparative CPFH.”

In comparison, the figure for the F/A-18 Super Hornet ranged from USD 11000 to USD 24000, depending on degree of operational capability. The figure for the Rafale was USD 16500 per flying hour and number for the Eurofighter Typhoon, derived from British Parliamentary figures and seeming to cover only fuel usage, was USD 8200. But Jane’s estimate of the actual Cost Per Flying Hour for the Eurofighter, keeping in mind supplies and scheduled maintenance raised the figure up to USD 18000.

The cost of operation of the F-35 appears to be in a whole other league. Jane’s cites Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF) estimates for the conventional F-35 A, assuming operational service over 30 years with 200 hours per year for each aircraft, to amount to USD 21000 per hour of flight. The paper also sources US Navy projections of the cost of operation of the F-35 B & C variants until the year 2029, which come to USD 31000 per flight hour.

The report says the figures were based on data sourced from the respective operating militaries and governments, disclosed international fighter competition cost figures (Rafale, F-18 E / F, Gripen), manufacturer-stated figures (F-35, Rafale, F-18 E / F, Gripen) and IHS Jane’s estimates for all aircraft.

There are several caveats to this assessment. “Owing to the differing methods of calculating aircraft operating cost per flight hour and the large number of interlinked factors that affect such a calculation, IHS Jane’s believes that any flight hour cost figure can only be regarded as indicative and that there is no single correct answer to such a calculation,” says the report, but adds, “However, we believe that our results are of considerable merit and provide a useful benchmark when considering the costs associated with operating contemporary high performance combat aircraft.”

The report stresses that ‘without access to comprehensive military data over a significant timeframe’ the results ‘can only be regarded as approximate’ and ‘are an average cost across an entire fleet’.

The report says it is most confident about the data and its conclusions on the Gripen, F-16 and the F/A-18 ‘with good primary and secondary source data supported by logical results from our deductive modeling.’

The numbers for the Eurofighter Typhoon and the Rafale are less certain, in comparison, but the report submits that ‘the comparative modeling output appears to confirm IHS Jane’s estimates’ for them.

The report is least sure about the operational cost of the F-35 costs ‘owing to the absence of actual in-service data’. “IHS Jane’s does not feel that the modeled fuel cost figure is representative of likely CPFH costs,” it says.

Besides using primary and secondary sources and their own databases, IHS Jane’s also considered data thrown up by a ‘modelled assessment of relative cost based on fuel usage’. In the absence of a single global standard for calculating cost per flight hour IHS Jane’s arrived upon a list of factors which would determine this cost.



The study took into account, what it called, Basic cost calculations to the exclusion of a set of factors it grouped under the term, Comprehensive cost calculations, to arrive at a figure determined only by the characteristics of individual aircraft rather than complexity of operations, weapons or support elements.

The study ‘determined that the Basic CPFH was the more common value stated and that this was therefore regarded as a more accurate and useful indication of the cost of sortie generation for a particular aircraft’.

The other factors, under the Comprehensive cost calculations, were ‘more usually considered as part of the platform’s capital cost rather than the daily service cost of which the Basic CPFH was felt to be a more useful representation’.

CPFH composition
On the basis of a 2005 US Air Force study of its F-16 fleet, IHS Jane’s thinks the CPFH is composed of approximately:

– 10-15% Consumable Supplies (small parts, wiring, basic electrical components)
– 20-25% Sortie Aviation Fuel
– 60-70% Depot Level Repair and Systems Maintenance



The study also points to less quantifiable and more intangible factors that could impact CPFH.




For the purpose of modeling to create a standard or benchmark, the study arrived at the ‘aircrafts’ fuel usage, hence cost, based on a theoretical one hour sortie at max dry thrust’, not ‘necessarily reflective of actual fuel consumption and hence fuel cost of a one hour sortie’.

As is evident, the modeled cost pattern is closest to the derived cost pattern in the case of the Gripen, F-16, Rafale, and Eurofighter. The research and the model digress in the case of the F-35 and the F/A-18.

In the case of the F-35, the study says the different ‘costs arise from the differing power and specific fuel consumptions of the A / C and B models. The B model is the top figure in both cases’. The study says, “The single P&W F-135 engine is relatively fuel efficient for its power, resulting in a lower fuel burn at maximum dry thrust than might be expected.” It adds that, although obviously, ‘accurate CPFH for in-service aircraft does not exist’, ‘the US and Australian forecast costs both suggest it will not offer lower CPFH than current aircraft’, considering ‘the aircraft itself is an extremely sophisticated design carrying a large number of new and unproven onboard systems’.

The report thinks the digression with respect to the Super Hornet is ‘due to the size of the fleet and the experience the US Navy has in operating’ it, compared to the ‘small fleet of the Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF) that has yet to reach Full Operational Capability’. It points out that ‘RAAF CPFH has fallen significantly as familiarity with the aircraft has grown, and is likely to fall further as this continues to improve’.

But the report also says the Super Hornet has ‘relatively high dry thrust ratings while the GE F414 engine is less efficient in specific fuel consumption than the engines of the similar-sized Rafale and EuroFighter aircraft’. And everything else being the same, the F/A-18 E/F ‘engines use more fuel and are hence relatively costly’ compared to the SNECMA or Eurojet engines, even though the US Navy aircraft have a relatively low CPFH.

http://www.stratpost.com/gripen-operational-cost-lowest-of-all-western-fighters-janes

santanderista escribió:pero cuanto  vale  un f16  y  cuanto  un f18 ??