Sujoi Su-30 MK2

PipilloVonJuangriego escribió:Hoy en la radio indicaron que aviones SU-30MK2, hicieron vuelos a baja altitud sobre la ciudad de Maracay, podria alguien confirmar esto?

Anti-imperialista escribió:yo en Barinas he visto es muchos vuelos super altos (no identificables a vista) de esos que dejan muchas estelas de condensación, una pregunta? esos vuelos a gran cota son en su mayoría vuelos internacionales? yo diría que estratosferico o casi

Amigo belmont, para variar desinformando como siempre, en otro foro se dijo lo mismo y se demostró lo contrario.

El asunto es el siguiente, el mayor usuario de MK2 es china y luego nosotros, tambien lo compro Vietnam y otro pais que ahora no lo recuerdo, entonces habra que ver si sacan un paquete para poco mas de 50 MK2 que hay en todo el mundo descontando a los Chinos que quizas los modernicen ellos mismos.

Russian media said: China has demanded that Russian Su-30MK2 transfer of technology, Russia refused to transfer
October 27, 2010 0 Comments
Russian media said: China has demanded that Russian Su-30MK2 transfer of technology, Russia refused to transfer
Core Tip: According to the Russian "National Defense" magazine reported in 2010 7 issue, as the Soviet Union -27 / -30 series fighter Su-largest purchasing power, China's products, though Russia constituted a level of intensity of competition, but not great. At the same time China has also asked the Russian Su-30MK2 transfer of production technology, and as a military technical cooperation with Russia to carry out a policy, but it was Russia opposes.



LONDON October 28, according to Russian reports, "National Defense" magazine issue 7, 2010 report, Analysis of Russia's arms trade world center of research reports that by 2015 most countries in the world's major trends and the Air Force vision of reform would be increased attrition efficiency, reduce the number of personnel and equipment, while improving combat effectiveness. This will result in the export fighter market is tight, since the financial crisis lead to more intense competition. As Su -27 / -30 series fighter Su-largest purchasing power, China developed J -7, J -10, JF-17 and other fighters in some areas despite the formation of a competitive market, but the intensity is not large, not export prospects of Russian-made fighters would pose a serious threat.

Equipment in reducing the number of Air Force combat effectiveness while improving the primary way is to equip the new multi-functional fighter, in this market, Russia and the West are the main producers of military equipment fierce competition. Russian Sukhoi and MiG aircraft's main rival is the United States, Lockheed Martin (F-16, F-35), Boeing (F-15, F/A-18) and the European aircraft company (EF-2000) some areas will face the Swedish market, Saab (JAS-39 "Gripen"), Dassault ("gust") and Chengdu, China Aviation Industry Corporation (J -7, J -10, JF-17) challenges. But China being only in third world countries to form a competitive market, where JF-17 "Fierce Dragon" in a series of occasions, has become a direct competitor to the MiG -29. Between 2000-2005, China exported 35 types of new fighters, totaling 350 million U.S. dollars. 25 2006-2009 exported a total of 405 million. Current between 2010-2013 received orders for 129 of supply, 28.2 billion U.S. dollars. Growth is obvious.

Sukhoi plans to keep his 2015 best fighter in the world market, the advantages of multi-functional position, the main way to increase the Su-27SK and Su-30MK export supply, Su -35 fighter for mass production as soon as possible, which put enable mass production of heavy fighters in the field of competitiveness has been maintained in 2020, and from 2017 onwards the company will begin exporting the 5th generation fighter. 2015 Sukhoi Su-type fighter to the main export market is still targeting China and India, but India has virtually saturated the market, in the foreseeable future, the two may not be large-scale procurement of Russian aircraft again, even to procurement, the scale will be much smaller. Tightening in the Indian market conditions, the Sukhoi aircraft company will focus on achieving the diversification of export channels, over the years insist on the implementation of policies to ensure an orderly market, higher efficiency, and ultimately ensure that the company and the Western powers in the competition win, has and Malaysia, Indonesia, Algeria, Venezuela, Viet Nam signed a huge aircraft supply contract.

China is the SU -27 and -30 series aircraft Su-largest country of procurement. 1991-1997 between Russia to supply China with 50 Su -27 fighter, including 38 Su-27SK single-seat and 12 two-seat Su-27UBK fighters, the total value of 1.7 billion. In 1996, China has been the production of Su-27SK aircraft 200 license, but no right to resell to a third country, the contract worth about 25 billion U.S. dollars, by the Shenyang Aircraft Factory assembly. The end of 2004, Russia supplied a total of 105 aircraft components required, all 105 airplanes assembled at the end of 2007. But the two sides focus on the remaining 95 after the supply of aircraft components has stalled negotiations, the Chinese give up the Su-27SK aircraft to continue to permit the implementation of production projects. In 1999 the two sides signed 38 two-seat multi-purpose fighter Su-30MKK supply contract, worth 1.5 billion dollars between 2000 to-2001 to complete delivery. 2000-2002, the Russian form of government bonds to offset the supply to China 28 Su-27UBK two-seater trainer aircraft. Sukhoi company completed in 2003 to China to deliver the second batch of 38 Su-30MKK fighter's contractual obligations.Russia and the direction of the fall of 2004 the Chinese navy supply 24 Su-30MK2 naval fighter, the aircraft's operational performance because it can use the KH-31A anti-ship missiles to attack surface targets increased dramatically. The two sides then the second batch of 24 Su-30MK2 the supply of aircraft launched a long and hard negotiations, China insisted that Russian Su-30MK2 transfer of production technology, and as a military technical cooperation with Russia to carry out a policy, Russia was opposed, the results as of early 2010, the two sides still have not reached any concrete agreement.

Overall, Russia, China exported a total of 178 Su -27 / Su -30 fighter series, including 38 Su-27SK, 40 Su-27UBK (do not have the use of guided weapons to attack ground targets function), 76 Su-30MKK multi-purpose fighters, 24 Su-30MK2 fighters, if coupled with the assembly 105 in Shenyang Su-27SK, then Russia's Soviet-supplied fighters to China a total of 283.

Apart from China, India and Vietnam are also Russian Su -27 / Su -30 fighter purchase country series. Early June 2010 the Government of India Security Council approved the procurement of 42 additional military Su-30MKI fighters, worth approximately 32.2 billion U.S. dollars. Coupled with early purchase Su-30MKI fighters, and the Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd plans to license technology in 2018, assembled under the Su-30MKI, Indian Air Force Su-30MKI fighters equipped with the total number will reach 270, becoming the most powerful The main models.


Vietnam from the mid 90s of last century began to actively purchasing Russian-made aviation equipment, and in 1995 received the first batch of six Su-Vietnamese -27 fighters, including five Su-27SK, 1 Su-27UBK, worth 1.5 billion USD. In early 1997 the second batch of six Su-procurement -27 fighter (5 Su-27SK, 1 Su-27UBK). December 2003 the two sides signed four contracts for the supply of Su-30MK fighters, worth 1.2 billion U.S. dollars, delivered in 2004. In early 2009 the two sides signed eight contracts for the supply of Su-30MK2, non-air weapons, worth $ 400,000,000. February 2010 the two sides signed another 12 Su-30MK2 fighters and the preparation of weapons supply contracts worth 10 billion U.S. dollars, plans to perform in 2011-2012.

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belmont escribió:

Amigo belmont, para variar desinformando como siempre, en otro foro se dijo lo mismo y se demostró lo contrario.

pues copie y de la informacion correcta para que hable con algo que lo soporte no como siempre que se limita a fotos y dibujitos

El asunto es el siguiente, el mayor usuario de MK2 es china y luego nosotros, tambien lo compro Vietnam y otro pais que ahora no lo recuerdo, entonces habra que ver si sacan un paquete para poco mas de 50 MK2 que hay en todo el mundo descontando a los Chinos que quizas los modernicen ellos mismos.

china si no me equivoco solo posee 24 mk2 en poder de su marina creo que muy pocos para interesarse en actualizar algo y mas cuando ya tienen otros proyectos propios a los cuales preferirían invertir sus recursos y esfuerzos
luego estamos nosotros y bueno si los esfuerzos del fabricante estan orientados a su nuevo producto, considerando lo limitado que en materia de inversion tiene rusia es improbable que ellos generen un paquete de upgread completo para un numero menor a 60 aviones. pues yo veo como futuro algo asi como lo que hizo belarus con algunos su-27 y algunas mejoras muy puntuales que no necesiten mayor inversion por parte del fabricante

asi que nada china le va a sacar la mierda a sus mk2 hasta que la celula no de mas (por cierto ya se estrello uno en china) y adiós no sera la primera vez que lo hacen, la unica posibilidad de que el mk2 fuese mas allá murió con el mk3 y las copias chinas

Gerardo escribió:La modernizacion del Su-30 MK2 deberia ser un cambio del radar por uno AESA, cambio de las turbinas por unas Al-31FM o AL-41 y actualizacion de sistemas, adaptacion de cabina para NGV, adaptacion de un pod FLIR, y quizas cambiar los pod ECM que van en las puntas de las alas por unos mas modernos.