Sukhoi Su-35 ¿posiblidades de ingreso a nuestro arsenal?

belushitaxx escribió:

Shocked Shocked Delta074, estas cantinfleando..? Twisted Evil

Chamos...disculpenme, como ustedes sabran yo nunca he hecho ningun comentario acerca de ninguno de ustedes (cuando me buscan lo hago de resto ni los miro) pero yo creo que muchos de los que han expuesto sus ideas en este thread han "cantinfleado" y al parecer estan jugando mucho a "medalla de honor".

Inventarse bainas que no son, como:

decidio de acuerdo a lo que hablo con USA no venderselos a ultima hora a los iranies y en su lugar suministraserlos a Venezuela y entonces por que no han llegado

Enredan màs la noticia. Lo que nos viene es lo que adquirimos desde un principio. Lo que era para los Iranies, ese sera problema de los Rusos a ver a quien se los vende.

AA-12 Adder: 8 × R-77

Saludos

PD.Este no es FMG que regalan medallitas

belushitaxx escribió:

Cevarez escribió:De nuevo pregunto: eso es informacion publica, de cuando llega un determinado sistema de armas?

De bolas que no...!! ningun pais que sea soberano se la pasa diciendo la cantidad de armas que posee, ni su costo, ni su fecha de entrega (el caso de los S-300) ni nada de informacion de ese tipo!!

Pues entonces no entiendo el aquelarre de que si legan, que no llegan, que el gobierno es esto, que nos van a matar....

Acuerdense que no estamos comprando cafe en la esquina... Y hay cosas que es mejor callar.... esto es un foro P U B L I C O

En las revistas extranjeras saben primero que nosotros lo que viene o no viene, cantidades, modelos, etc, etc, por hablar paja o por cierto, hoy no hay secretos, solo a nosotros nos esconden las vainas por la corrupcion, fijense las donaciones a otros paises y que para comprometerlos en funciones diplomaticas, lo que yo no veo es a los demas países donandonos dinero ni objetos a nosotros para lo mismo reciprocamente, yo creo que si a un pais le interesa que nosotros votemos a su favor en X instancia, el haria lo mismo por nosotros en igualdad de condiciones cuando lo necesitemos sin que pasen donaciones de ambos lados.

El caza ruso Su-35 volverá a participar en el concurso de Brasil
Moscú, 22 de abril, RIA Novosti.

El caza ruso Su-35 volverá a participar en el concurso para la compra de aviones de combate polivalentes convocado por Brasil, informó hoy a RIA Novosti una fuente del sector industrial militar de este país.

"El concurso será reanudado próximamente como F-X3 con la participación del caza ruso Su-35, que tiene buenas probabilidades de ganar por las referencias favorables que hizo el Mando de la Fuerza Aérea de Brasil", dijo la fuente.

Agregó que también influyó el encuentro que sostuvo el presidente de Rusia, Dmitri Medvédev, con su homóloga brasileña Dilma Russef en el marco de la cumbre del Grupo BRICS el 14 de abril. Los dos mandatarios trataron, entre otros temas, el concurso de Brasil.

El concurso de categoría F-X fue convocado en 2001 y suspendido en 2005. Tres años después fue reanudado como F-X2 y luego suspendido nuevamente en 2010.

En el concurso compitieron en distintas etapas el caza estadounidense Boeing F/A-18 Super Hornet, el avión francés Dassault Rafale, el sueco Saab JAS 39 Gripen NG y el europeo Eurofighter Typhoon.

La exportadora estatal de armas rusa, Rosoboronexport, había presentado en el concurso el caza polivalente Su-35 de la generación "4++", pero en 2008 ese aparato fue retirado del concurso.

Su-35BM/T-10BM : The last Flanker
By Zarko Bulatovic | April 27, 2007 on 11:32 am
http://www.aviapedia.com/fighters/su-35bmt-10bm-the-last-flanker

This aircraft has not reached serial production stage yet, thus the avionics configuration is subjectable to changes. The Aviapedia staff will keep close eye on the matter, so stay tuned for possible article updates.

Introduction :

Su-35BM will be the last developed Flanker. An final upgrade, final variant. Actually, the designation is quite confusing, since Su-35 already exists in Russian Air Force. Su-35 was the export designation for upgraded Su-27, called Su-27M, internal Sukhoi designation T-10M. Su-27M gave baseline Flanker new avionics, as well as precision air-to-ground capability. Only five of these are in service with VVS (Russian Air Force), with 237th regiment based at Kubinka Air Base. VVS chose another path instead; to incorporate technologies tested in Su-35/T-10M, together with those of Su-30MK, into an standard upgrade project for the baseline Flanker, the Su-27SM. The Su-35 designation was also used for Su-37, dubbed as “Terminator”. Aircraft was a testbed for 2D thrust-vectoring engines, mounted on Su-35/T-10M.


The new Su-35BM is going to fill the interim gap between standard 4+ generation Su-27SM in service today, and PAK-FA, 5th generation fighter in developement stage. Thus, Su-35BM is designated as 4++ generation fighter, together with new MiG-35. Official first flight will commence late this year, Sukhoi officialy stated that year 2007 is the ending year of all work on Su-35BM. After MAKS 2007, Su-35BM will be put on state trials. The aircraft should be ordered by VVS, after all, they’re the ones who supported the initial beggining of work on the BM, after successful Su-27SM program.

Main specifications

Length 21.9 meters
Height 5.9 meters
Wingspan 15.3 meters

Take-off weight, with two R-77 and two R-73 25.3 tons
Take-off weight, with maximum payload 34.5 tons
Total thrust available, two Saturn 177S powerplants 29 tons
Thrust to weight ratio, under normal and maximum load 1.14 / 0.84

Maximum fuel in integrated fueltanks 11.5 tons
Maximum weapons load 8 tons

Service ceiling 18 kilometers
Range with maximum fuel, on sea-level and altitude 1,580 km / 3,600 km
Ferry range, with two PTB-2000 external tanks 4,500 km

Acceleration from 600kph to 1100kph, at 1000m alt and 50% fuel 13.8 seconds
Acceleration from 1100kph to 1300kph, at 1000m alt and 50% fuel 8.0 seconds
Maximum rate of climb, at 1000m alt 280 meters / sec
Maximum airspeed, low-level and altitude (200m / 11000m) 1,400 kph / M2.25
Maximum G-load 9 G’s

Take-off run, full afterburner, normal weight 400-450 meters
Landing roll, brakes + parachute, standard landing weight 650 meters
Information taken from official KnAAPO brochures


Official description from KnAAPO (manufacturer) follows : “Su-35 is designed to gain air superiority through manned and unmanned aircraft destroying, by guided missiles, in medium and long range engagements and dogfights; to destroy ground and surface targets by all type of weapon, as well as destroy the enemy ground infrastructure facilities located very far from the base airfields, heavily protected by active AAD system”

The most important Su-35BM/T-10BM characteristics are : supreme flight performance (superagility), long range information targeting systems, jam-proof datalinks for squadron or ground control operations, high performance short, medium and long range missiles of both anti-air and anti-ground type, carried externally on fourteen hardpoints, sophisticated EW/ECM/ER systems, radar cross-section reduction, high-power sensors with adequate computing power and sensory fusion technique, cockpit with large LCD multi-function displays, and an in-flight refuelling probe.


Unlike Su-37, which was seen as remarkable aircraft by aerospace community, Su-35BM will have all Russian systems. Su-37 had it’s cockpit systems imported from French Sextant/Thales.

Airframe :

Su-35BM is more alike standard Su-27S, than Su-35/T-10M. It has no canards, has smaller fins, tailcone is smaller than those found on T-10M. High-lift surfaces are larger, big flaperons occupying complete wing trailing edge. Airframe structure is more “refined”, with usage of RAM coating and new all-composites material. Latter is said to grant 20% of weight reduction and an RCS signature suppression. Su-35BM also has larger air intakes.

Powerplant :

Engines that were planned for T-10BM are Saturn AL-41F1, with supercruise capability, rated at 15 metric tons of thrust each. This family of engines will power PAK-FA too, and are going to power Su-34 Fullback long range strike aircraft. The AL-41 series was built to feed power-hungry aircraft such as MiG’s MFI (1.42/1.44), and S-37/Su-47 Berkut. It was stated that first versions of these engines powered the MFI, but, recent statements from NPO Saturn pointed out, that engines won’t be ready for the first preproduction versions of PAK-FA. Thus, it’s viable to concur that Su-35BM won’t have it’s first flight with AL-41F1. To note : the MFI has flown on AL-31′s, while the Berkut was fitted with D-30F-6 engines, powerplant from MiG-31.

However, NPO Saturn managed to develop heavily upgraded AL-31F engines, and designated them AL-41F1A, or article 117S. The designation of AL-41(X) notes that thrust is closer to projected AL-41F series, but the AL-41F1A’s feature old, refubrished core. The AL-41F’s will have all-new core.

AL-41F1A are equipeed with three-dimensional thrust vectoring nozzles, too, so both of Russian 4++ generation aircraft will be 3D TVC capable, if we count the fact that Morskaya Osa engines can be upgraded with all-axis nozzles. As it’s stated on official sites, AL-41F1A’s have 14.5 tons of thrust each, that means 29 tons of thrust for Su-35BM. Since some early sources claimed that airframe material enhancement reduced Su-35BM weight by 20%, aircraft could have an greatly increased thrust-to-weight ratio, ensuring superb combat and flight performance.

Sensors and avionics :

Main radar system for the Su-35BM is the Tikhomirov NIIP Irbis-E (N035E). While it’s pointed out that this will be the radar model used on Su-35BM, it’s also probable that Su-35BM could fly with Phazotron NIIR radar, the Sokol III (N031 Zhuk-MSFE). Given the latest achievements on the field of AESA technology by Phazotron, that are already visible in form of complete systems found on the other Russian 4++ gen aircraft, MiG-35, Su-35BM could be equipped with an derivative of current Phazotron AESA models. However, Irbis is marked as the number one option for the radar system.

Tikhomirov NIIP Irbis-E radar uses electronically scanned array (ESA). It’s a multifunctional radar system, working in X-band, holded on two-axis hydraulic drive. Radar uses EKVS-E BTsVM Solo35 computing system. The Irbis-E can track 30 different targets, while retaining continous airspace scan, eg. track-while-scan mode. The fire control system can simultaneously guide two semi-active radar guided missiles. If used in conjuction with active radar guided missiles, this number is eight. In air to surface operations, radar is capable of mapping land and sea targets, and detection of targets in real-beam, Doppler, and SAR modes. Four ground targets can be tracked at the same time, while two can be attacked at the same time, too. Since Irbis-E has enormeous power output, up to 20 kilowatts, it can detect an “standard” target (RCS at 3 square meters) 400 kilometers away. Normally, that figure is given for head-on aspect, in tail-on aspect it drops down to 150 km. Stealth targets (RCS at 0.01 square meters) can be detected at 90 km range. Irbis-E is also capable of target identification, and can conduct simultaneous air-to-air and air-to-ground operations.

Su-35BM also has rearward radar system, to locate and track targets behind aircraft. Rear radar is located in tailcone. It’s still not known what system is going to use; Tikhomirov NIIP suggested it’s Osa type ESA radar for this task, but has also revealed it’s work on active-array radars that could fill this task, too. That information was given by NIIP to the public two years ago. The rear radar system is not something new for the Russian design bureaus; Su-35/T-10M features Phazotron N012 in the tailcone, MiG’s 1.42/1.44 MFI featured Phazotron N015, and the Su-34 Fullback features Leninets V005 tailcone radar system.

As every Russian 4th gen fighter has optronic infrared search and track system, Su-35BM will naturally feature that too. OLS-35 can track four different IR signatures at once. Maximum detection range for tail-on aspect is 90 km, and for head-on 50 km. The laser rangefinder can measure distance up to 20 km against aerial targets, and up to 30 km against ground based targets.
Electronic warfare system, the KNIRTI L175M Khibiny-M, is capable of accurate detection of the threats, threat coordinate mapping, and it’s also responsible for jamming signal generation and emmision replication/imitation, via wing-tip carried pods. The system has a separate display in the Su-35BM cockpit. The L175M, together with frontal and back radars and optronic complex is hooked up to “sensory fusion” package. Khibiny can also provide guidance for passive-radiation guided missiles, such as R-27EP and the new long-range type of AAM. Su-35BM also features approx. 150 aerials on it’s airframe. Apart from standard RWR (radar warning receiever), Su-35BM also has laser emission warning system, MAWS (missile approach warning system), and standard chaff / flare dispenser.

Powerful computer system will control all those sensory elements, giving information to the pilot in unique interface; via the two large LCD MFD’s found in cockpit, and shown in pilot’s helmet mounted display as well. Cockpit is summarized in MAK-35 system; two 22.5×30 cm AMLCD’s, IKSh-1M widescreen HUD, and one back-up multifunctional display. The nav / attack functions are the responsibilty of KRNPO-35, and the plane is fitted with laser-gyro system, LINS-2000.

The aircraft features inertial / sattelite navigation systems, radio navigation system, digital maps, optical fiber and digital communication multiplex comm systems. The comm system has two UHF/VHF radios, Link-16 capacity, and encryption capability. FBW has quadruple redundancy, and the engines support full authority digital engine control, FADEC.

Weapons :

Su-35BM, as an true multirole fighter, will have both air-to-air, air-to-ground, and anti-ship weaponry. Whole current pallete of A2G precision missiles and bombs will be supported on Su-35BM. Regarding air-to-air, the aircraft has an Archer, Alamo, and Adder family capability (R-73, R-27, R-77). Su-35BM will also be able to launch ultra-long range active radar missiles. The type of this weapon shown on the Su-35BM model was Novator KS-172S-1 AAM. The same missile has been presented on the displayed Su-35BM at MAKS 2007 airshow. The KS-172S-1 has an engagement range over 300 kilometers, can be used against any kind of aircraft flying from 3 meters altitude to 30 kilometers altitude, up to 4000 kilometers per hour of speed, and up to 12G. The only thing that’s confirmed is that Su-35BM will have ultralong range radar missile engagement capability; KS-172S-1 has not been asured. The other ULR AAM in Russian developement is Vympel K-37/R-37M. It’s an upgrade of MiG-31M’s R-37 missile, which has been sucessfully tested against targets 300 kilometers away.

Other Vympel’s designs are not confirmed either; such as ramjet, thermal, or antiradiation variant of R-77. This capability could be easily added at some future point. Vympel also stated that it has finished working on the upgraded variant of antiradiation R-27P. Since L175M is chosen for the standard electronic warfare module for all new Russian aircraft, R-27P could be connected to work in conjuction with Su-35BM’s EW unit. Both short and long burn variants of the antiradiation R-27, eg. the 27P and the 27EP, are on the payload list.

The misterious unspecified long-range anti-ground, anti-ship and anti-radar missiles are still a matter of debate, but several sources indicate that GRAU-coded 3M14AE and 3M54AE missiles are the unspecified weapons. Both missiles are produced by NPO Novator, and Sukhoi has a long tradition of partnership with this design bureau; this raises the issue of long-range AAM too, since Sukhoi is clearly pushing the Novator’s KS-172S-1 design, while the VVS wants Vympel’s R-37M for MiG-31 deep modernization variant. In any case, Russia won’t use two similiar types of AAM’s in the same time period, so the R-72 could be used for export, while the R-37M would be used on domestic version of Su-35BM.

3M14AE and 3M54AE are the missiles from “Kalibr” system, developed from naval “Club” system. The first is LACM, while the other is standard anti-ship missile. The unspecified anti-radar missile could turn up as new Raduga X-58UShE. It works in wide-band regime, and has a maximum range of 200 km. The sole-carried large ASM/AGM is suspected to be Yakhont-M, GRAU coded 3M55A. Yakhont-M is the upgraded export variant of P-800 Onyx missile. Original Onyx has the range of 300 km.

Su-35BM is also fitted with standard 30mm gun of Flanker family; Gryazev-Shipunov GSh-301.

Weapons

Novator R-72 (KS-172S-1) or Vympel R-37M (“Arrow”) 400 km range, active and semi-active radar, passive radiation guidance
Maximum of five carried. AAM.
Vympel R-77 / RVV-AE (“Adder”) 100 km range, active radar guidance
Maximum of twelve carried. AAM.
Vympel R-27ET[1] (“Alamo”) 110-130 km range, thermal guidance
Maximum of four carried. AAM.
Vympel R-27EP[1] (“Alamo”) 110-130 km range, passive radiation guidance
Maximum of four carried. AAM.
Vympel R-27ER[1] (“Alamo”) 110-130 km range, semi-active radar guidance
Maximum of eight carried. AAM.
Vympel R-73E (“Archer”) 30 km range, thermal guidance
Maximum of six carried. AAM.

Non-specified ultralong range air to ground missile Maximum of one carried. AGM.
Non-specified long range air to ground missile Maximum of three carried. AGM.
Non-specified long range anti-radar missile Maximum of five carried. AGM.
Non-specified long range air to ship missile Maximum of five carried. ASM.

Raduga X-59M[K] Ovod (“Kazoo”) 140 km range, TV guidance
Maximum of 5 carried, AGM/ASM.
Zvezda X-31A/P (“Krypton”) 70 / 140 km range, active radar / passive radiation guidance
Maximum of 6 carried, AGM.
Molniya X-29TE[L] (“Kedge”) 10 km range, TV / laser guidance
Maximum of 6 carried, AGM.
FSUE LGB-250 300 kg warhead, laser guidance
Maximum of eight carried, smart bomb.
FSUE KAB-500KR/OD 500 kg warhead, TV guidance
Maximum of eight carried, smart bomb.

FSUE KAB-1500KR/LG 1500 kg warhead, TV / laser guidance
Maximum of three carried, smart bomb.
S-25LD 10 km range, laser guidance
Maximum of six carried, guided rocket.

500kg class bomb Maximum of ten carried, gravity bomb.
250kg class bomb Maximum of thirty-two carried, gravity bomb.
B-8M-1 Maximum of 120 carried in six dispensers, unguided rocket.
B-13L Maximum of 30 carried in six dispensers, unguided rocket.
S-250FM-PU Maximum of six carried, unguided rocket.
Payload capacity

Venezuela intends to import the bulk of weapons from Russia – ambassador

19 May. Venezuelan Ambassador to Russia Alexis Navarro Rojas in an interview with Interfax expressed the intentions of his country to negotiate Russian arms deliveries to Venezuela.

"Venezuela needs to renew its arms systems. Several years ago we decided that we won't buy weapons from the United States and that the bulk of new orders will be placed with Russia. Our military experts have studied the parameters of the arms that Russia is offering and concluded that they are the best in the world," the ambassador said.

Rojas said there are several reasons why Venezuela is switching from importing U.S.-made weapons to Russian-made products, including the "aggressive foreign policy of Washington" and "irresponsibility in the fulfillment of contracts."

"The weapons we are getting from Russia come with guarantees of further maintenance services and personnel training," he said.

The Venezuelan government is preparing for talks on the delivery of Su-35 fighters from Russia, Rojas said.

"Our pilots have flown on Su-27 and Su-30 fighters already. They have simply fallen in love with the aircraft. They have also tried piloting Su-35. Now we are waiting for talks to begin," he said.

Russia has already delivered Mi-17 helicopters, which Venezuela is using for transportation and also for border patrols to prevent drug trafficking. The delivery of Mi-26 and Mi-35 helicopters is also expected, Rojas said.

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http://www.interfax-news.com/17/157962/interview.aspx

Description: The Su-27, Flanker-B NATO
The first Su-35 aircraft performed its maiden flight summer 2007 and was displayed at the MAKS 2007 airshow in Moscow. The trials program started on February 20, 2008, and is expected to extend through early 2009. The Su-35 should be ready to enter active service with the Russian Air Force and foreign customers in 2010-2011 timeframe. According to Sukhoi, the Su-35 aircraft is intended for both Russian and export markets. It was reported by the Russian press that Venezuela may convert its existing order for 24 Su-30MK fighters into Su-35s thus becoming the first export customer.

http://www.deagel.com/Strike-and-Fighter-Aircraft/Su-35_a000320005.aspx
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Features & Opinion

Russia to offer fifth-generation prototype fighter to Brazil?

Su-35 fighter

© RIA Novosti. Anton Denisov21:37 28/01/2011RIA
Novosti military commentator Ilya Kramnik
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The global arms trade runs to billions of dollars, but few such deals attract as much media attention as Brazil's recent tender, for the purchase of 36 combat aircraft which includes an agreement on production of another 84 planes under license.

Media interest in the tender grew after Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff, who was inaugurated on January 1, 2011, annulled the results of the previous tender.

A modest beginning

The core of the Brazilian Air Force consists of obsolete U.S. F-5 fighters made in the 1960s and 1970s (50 to 60 aircraft) and 12 French Mirage-2000 planes made in the 1980s. It also has in excess of 50 Brazilian-Italian AMX assault aircraft and approximately 100 Super Tucano light attack, counter insurgency and pilot training planes all designed and manufactured in Brazil.

Brazil's 12 to 15 Mirage III fighters are rarely used because they are both worn out and obsolete.

The Brazilian Air Force has a combat capacity way below the country's economic potential, especially considering how hard it is working to enhance its global political role.

The first tender, known as the F-X, was announced in 1999, when Brazil planned to replace its obsolete Mirage III fighters with one or two squadrons of modern aircraft. It was ready and willing to spend up to $700 million to purchase between 12 and 24 fighter planes.

Almost all the world's main aircraft producers took part in the tender, offering modified versions of their most popular multirole fighter aircraft: Lockheed Martin's F-16, the Mirage-200BR made expressly with Brazil in mind, Sweden's latest fighter plane the JAS-39 Gripen, and Russia's MiG-29SMT Fulcrum.

Russia's other largest combat aircraft producer, Sukhoi, has also taken an interest in the Brazilian market and planned to offer it a Su-35 fighter, an early model of the Su-27� Flanker-E/F.

However, French producers were expected to win that tender.

A growing appetite

But due to economic problems the tender never materialized. Brazil made an interim decision to buy 12 used older-model Mirage-2000 fighters, allowing it to put off the whole issue of replacement until 2007.

By that time, Brazil's appetite had grown. It no longer only wanted to replace the obsolete Mirage III, but also the F-5 and AMX planes, and it had also increased its acquisition target from between 12 and 24 to 120 aircraft. Of that number, 36 were to be purchased outright and the rest manufactured under license in Brazil.

Since the contract price increased to $6-$10 billion, all the various bidders hurried to offer Brazil newer planes. The United States, ready to supply F-16s, also offered the latest model of its main combat aircraft, the F/A-18E/F Super Hornet. France, which no longer produces the Mirage-2000, rolled out Rafale. A consortium of three European companies put their Eurofighter Typhoon on the table, while Sweden's SAAB once again offered its JAS-39.

Russia, meanwhile, unveiled its latest design, the Sukhoi Su-35 Flanker-E (formerly the Su-27M).

The tender was expected to be won by whichever participant was willing to offer Brazil technology, that is, the option of producing more planes, itself, under license, with a view to upgrading its aircraft-building industry.

European producers led the race, while the U.S. bid was hamstrung by their insufficient willingness to share their expertise and technical know-how.

The reason Russia dropped out of the race was more complicated: Brazil was expecting it to supply Su-35BM fighters in exchange for the licensed production of Embraer civilian aircraft in Russia. However, this would have had a negative impact on Sukhoi's own plane project, the Sukhoi Superjet 100, and was therefore blocked.

Fifth-generation prototype

The second tender collapsed due to the European fighters' exorbitant prices. As a result, Brazil's new government made two decisions: first, it would hold yet another tender and second, among other options, its Air Force should consider buying Russia's Su-35BM fighter.

Analysts say that the possibility of Brazil buying a Sukhoi plane could push the European companies to be more flexible over their prices and even prompt the Americans to consider a technology transfer. However, the Su-35BM may yet win the tender, especially because, since 2007, its prestige has been boosted by its successful performance in trials and mass production for the Russian Air Force.

On top of that, Sukhoi's reputation across Latin America grew on the back of Venezuela's Su-30MK2 purchase.

The final argument in Russia's favor is the T-50, otherwise known as the PAK FA, a fifth-generation fighter-jet Sukhoi is currently developing.

Rumors that Russia and Brazil might join forces on a fifth-generation fighter plane first appeared last spring, and have not been refuted. Since Russia and India are allegedly ready to create a joint venture to manufacture the T-50 planes, Russian-Brazilian cooperation in this field is now a very real possibility, especially considering the two countries' friendly relations.

The supply of the Su-35BM planes, including fifth-generation equipment and materials, could be the first step toward delivering the T-50. If Russia makes this offer, it is almost guaranteed to win the tender.

The �-50's main rival, the U.S. F-22, is not currently being exported and there are no other similar planes on the market, with the exception of China's J-20, and experts remain divided over its advantages.

The views expressed in this article are the author's and do not necessarily represent those of RIA Novosti.
http://en.rian.ru/analysis/20110128/162357069.html

PD: No se carajo esta pensando Chávez, será que dios le revele a ilumine la cabeza para mneterse en este Proyecvto????

Onyx escribió:Description: The Su-27, Flanker-B NATO
The first Su-35 aircraft performed its maiden flight summer 2007 and was displayed at the MAKS 2007 airshow in Moscow. The trials program started on February 20, 2008, and is expected to extend through early 2009. The Su-35 should be ready to enter active service with the Russian Air Force and foreign customers in 2010-2011 timeframe. According to Sukhoi, the Su-35 aircraft is intended for both Russian and export markets. It was reported by the Russian press that Venezuela may convert its existing order for 24 Su-30MK fighters into Su-35s thus becoming the first export customer.

http://www.deagel.com/Strike-and-Fighter-Aircraft/Su-35_a000320005.aspx
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Interesante...habla de la presunta existencia de una orden por 24 su-30 adicionales,transformable en una orden por 24 su-35,lo cual es más jugoso y sustancial,no soy de los que piensan,que realmente V enezuela no pueda operar un número de cazas pesados mayor a 24,(preguntense cuantos cazas pesados opera un culito de país como israel).
La ventaja es que se pudiese beneficiar a los actuales SU-30 con un upgrade de sus mototores al sustituirlos por el motor del su-35,con una obvia mejora en su envolvente de vuelo y en la durabilidad de los mismos,idem encuanto al aparte de contramedidas y otras.
Dotándoles de pods DAMOCLES o SAPSAN-E,los su-30 se convertirían en una fuerza de ataque todo tiempo de primer orden.

Siendo el Primer comprador, deben ser del mejmo de Rusia, por eso Putin dijo lo que dijo, que no tendrían problema en vendernoslos. Ahora recuerda Nick que los Su-30MK2 jovenes que tenemos, serán repotenciados con Rusia e India al nivel del SU-30 MKI

ASí tendría mos

24 SU-35BM/S
24 SU-30MKI
24 J-10B
24 K-8W
24 L-15 o YAK 130


y para el 2020 tendríamos:

36 SU-T50
24 SU-35BM
24 SU30MKI

24 J-20
24 J-10B

24 K-8W mejorados
24 L-15 biolaza mejorados
18 L-15 Monolaza


bueno más los Helos.

Assessing Russian Fighter Technology

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http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-2008-04.html

Sukhoi Flankers
The Shifting Balance of Regional Air Power
Technical Report APA-TR-2007-0101

http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-Flanker.html LEER

by Dr Carlo Kopp, SMAIAA, MIEEE, PEng
January, 2007
Updated September, 2009

VVS chose another path instead; to incorporate technologies tested in Su-35/T-10M, together with those of Su-30MK, into an standard upgrade project for the baseline Flanker, the Su-27SM

Es decir: hay mucha de la tecnologia probada en el SU-35 que puede ser instalada en el SU-30MK :O!! Interesante...!!

que tenologia tendra el t-50? sera una bestia......

Bueno amigo, con lo ultimo planteado en esta disertación hay un 85% + de que el Su-35 ingrese a nuestra fuerza aérea. Será que los vemos el 05 de julio del presente año, como dice el dicho amanecerá y veremos.

Chaco escribió:Bueno amigo, con lo ultimo planteado en esta disertación hay un 85% + de que el Su-35 ingrese a nuestra fuerza aérea. Será que los vemos el 05 de julio del presente año, como dice el dicho amanecerá y veremos.

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oscaramh escribió:

Chaco escribió:Bueno amigo, con lo ultimo planteado en esta disertación hay un 85% + de que el Su-35 ingrese a nuestra fuerza aérea. Será que los vemos el 05 de julio del presente año, como dice el dicho amanecerá y veremos.

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Ya lo coloque se ve BESTIAL gracias.

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oscaramh escribió:

Chaco escribió:Bueno amigo, con lo ultimo planteado en esta disertación hay un 85% + de que el Su-35 ingrese a nuestra fuerza aérea. Será que los vemos el 05 de julio del presente año, como dice el dicho amanecerá y veremos.

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se ve BESTIAL

Que es eso

manuel escribió:

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oscaramh escribió:

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se ve BESTIAL

Que es eso

No se si es sarcasmo, igual te explico, lo que quise decir es que se ve bien de pinga como fondo de escritorio

ES ARRECHO NO JODA !!

La embarre, deje pasar el chinazo.

Ya veo que hay que escrirte asi ESTA ARRECHISIMO NO JODA sera que ahora si entiendes

regresemos al tema

Se puede saber ahora porque estan discutiendo..? En vez de soltar las "Good news" de manera explicita y sin tantos rodeos de la supuesta llegada de Su-35BM a esta "Tierra de Gracia"...

Lo que se dice es que rusia nos va a dar de su propio lote original, osea, significa que son altas probabilidades de que vengan sin ser "donkey model"