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Cevarez escribió:Alguien tiene alguna foto del sistema electro optico del pechora 2m?

Por cierto, siempre me ha gustado este ingenio iraqui:

Iraqi 3M9/R-60 Hybrid Heatseeking Gainful Round

Perhaps one of the most interesting finds during the 2003 OIF invasion of Iraq were examples of the indigenous hybridisation of the 3M9 SAM round with the seeker section from the Molniya/Vympel R-60 / AA-8 Aphid heatseeking air to air missile, procured during the Cold War to arm Iraq's numerous Soviet supplied fighters. The motives for this development effort were clear - Coalition jamming of the CW seeker on the 3M9 missile round during Operation Northern/Southern Watch rendered the standard missile round ineffective. The intent was to produce an electronic countermeasures resistant variant of the missile with infrared terminal homing rather than CW semi-active radar homing. The basic 3M9/9M9 Gainful round is flown through its midcourse phase by command link from the 1S91 Straight Flush, using a tracking beacon in the tail of the missile.

The most detailed public description of the design was produced by Doug Richardson, Editor of Janes Missiles and Rockets, in his April 23, 2003, article “Iraqi heat-seeking Gainfuls found”. Some imagery also emerged during that period.

It would appear that Iraqi engineers stripped down R-60/60M rounds from remaining post 1991 warstocks to remove the OGS-60TI “Komar” / OGS-75 “Komar M” seeker section, which was installed in a re-engineered front section for the 3M9 fuselage, with a conical fairing and Aphid nose replacing the original guidance section containing the 1SB4 series CW SARH seeker. Adaptor hardware would be required to match the analogue pitch/yaw outputs from the R-60 seeker. The R-60 OGS-60TI “Komar”, and OGS-75 “Komar M” seekers, built by Arsenal in the Ukraine, are conventional single colour scanning detector designs with a cited ±12° off-boresight capability, ±17-20° in the later OGS-75 “Komar M” variant, and a 35°/sec tracking rate. The all aspect R-60M is credited with a 42 G capability. Overall the later model Komar M seeker compares closely to the US AIM-9L Sidewinder “all aspect” seeker.

While the resulting heatseeking 3M9 round would retain similar susceptibility to flares or more recently, infrared jammers, the missile engagement sequence would be devoid of the CW illumination for the terminal phase of the missile's flight, as a result of which aircraft under attack only have the command uplink signals and terminal phase 1S91 tracking signals to warn of an approaching missile. Where the defensive countermeasures suite relies on the CW signal to trigger angle/range jamming, the heatseeking 3M9 could be potentially very effective.

While multiple rounds were captured in Iraq, it is not known publicly how mature the design was or whether any attempt was made to use this weapon operationally. The design presents a good case study of how a nation even with a limited domestic technology base and under embargo was able to develop an asymmetric capability. More advanced infrared seekers retrofitted to any legacy or current production SAM design would present similar difficulties to the use of mixed seeker types in AAMs such as the R-27 / AA-10 Alamo, especially if these are countermeasures resistant two colour or imaging array designs.

El misil se guiaba por radio) y su fase final era guiado por infrarrojo. Este sistema en el rol AA debe ser letal! No saber que viene un pepinazo sino en el ultimo momento, sin que las ECM puedan hacer mucho.

Seria interesante ver algo asi con los misiles pechora, ya que al ser guiados por radio, podria emplearse de igual manera, combinando su fase final con guiado infrarrojo.

guaripete escribió:

Alguien tiene alguna foto del sistema electro optico del pechora 2m?

quizás este enlace te sirva
http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-Legacy-SAM-Upgrades.html#mozTocId372189

Gerardo escribió:

Cevarez escribió:Alguien tiene alguna foto del sistema electro optico del pechora 2m?

Por cierto, siempre me ha gustado este ingenio iraqui:

Iraqi 3M9/R-60 Hybrid Heatseeking Gainful Round

Perhaps one of the most interesting finds during the 2003 OIF invasion of Iraq were examples of the indigenous hybridisation of the 3M9 SAM round with the seeker section from the Molniya/Vympel R-60 / AA-8 Aphid heatseeking air to air missile, procured during the Cold War to arm Iraq's numerous Soviet supplied fighters. The motives for this development effort were clear - Coalition jamming of the CW seeker on the 3M9 missile round during Operation Northern/Southern Watch rendered the standard missile round ineffective. The intent was to produce an electronic countermeasures resistant variant of the missile with infrared terminal homing rather than CW semi-active radar homing. The basic 3M9/9M9 Gainful round is flown through its midcourse phase by command link from the 1S91 Straight Flush, using a tracking beacon in the tail of the missile.

The most detailed public description of the design was produced by Doug Richardson, Editor of Janes Missiles and Rockets, in his April 23, 2003, article “Iraqi heat-seeking Gainfuls found”. Some imagery also emerged during that period.

It would appear that Iraqi engineers stripped down R-60/60M rounds from remaining post 1991 warstocks to remove the OGS-60TI “Komar” / OGS-75 “Komar M” seeker section, which was installed in a re-engineered front section for the 3M9 fuselage, with a conical fairing and Aphid nose replacing the original guidance section containing the 1SB4 series CW SARH seeker. Adaptor hardware would be required to match the analogue pitch/yaw outputs from the R-60 seeker. The R-60 OGS-60TI “Komar”, and OGS-75 “Komar M” seekers, built by Arsenal in the Ukraine, are conventional single colour scanning detector designs with a cited ±12° off-boresight capability, ±17-20° in the later OGS-75 “Komar M” variant, and a 35°/sec tracking rate. The all aspect R-60M is credited with a 42 G capability. Overall the later model Komar M seeker compares closely to the US AIM-9L Sidewinder “all aspect” seeker.

While the resulting heatseeking 3M9 round would retain similar susceptibility to flares or more recently, infrared jammers, the missile engagement sequence would be devoid of the CW illumination for the terminal phase of the missile's flight, as a result of which aircraft under attack only have the command uplink signals and terminal phase 1S91 tracking signals to warn of an approaching missile. Where the defensive countermeasures suite relies on the CW signal to trigger angle/range jamming, the heatseeking 3M9 could be potentially very effective.

While multiple rounds were captured in Iraq, it is not known publicly how mature the design was or whether any attempt was made to use this weapon operationally. The design presents a good case study of how a nation even with a limited domestic technology base and under embargo was able to develop an asymmetric capability. More advanced infrared seekers retrofitted to any legacy or current production SAM design would present similar difficulties to the use of mixed seeker types in AAMs such as the R-27 / AA-10 Alamo, especially if these are countermeasures resistant two colour or imaging array designs.

El misil se guiaba por radio) y su fase final era guiado por infrarrojo. Este sistema en el rol AA debe ser letal! No saber que viene un pepinazo sino en el ultimo momento, sin que las ECM puedan hacer mucho.

Seria interesante ver algo asi con los misiles pechora, ya que al ser guiados por radio, podria emplearse de igual manera, combinando su fase final con guiado infrarrojo.

Yo siempre me he preguntado pq los Rusos no desarrollan un SAM a partir de los misiles R-73 y R-77 asi como lo hacen Israelies, Chinos, gringos franceces y Sudafricanos?

Que ten dificil seria que uno localmente desarrollo un sistema asi?

Pregunto asi como los locos

SLAMRAAM Dies From Loneliness

January 11, 2011: The U.S. Army has finally, after over a decade of development, and no orders, cancelled its SLAMRAAM antiaircraft missile system. The U.S. defense budget is being cut, and those items lower on the "must have" list are being eliminated. Some $3 billion has been spent on SLAMRAAM so far, and it would cost another $12 billion to put it into production.
For SLAMRAAM there is another problem. Put simply, in the U.S. military, ground based air defense systems get no respect. It took two decades to develop the current Patriot system, and most of the money the system received since it entered service in 1984, has gone for developing an anti-missile capability. The "problem" is that American warplanes have controlled the skies for over sixty years, and U.S. ground forces have not felt compelled to spend a lot on anti-aircraft systems. There is a portable missile (Stinger) for the troops, mainly to be used against enemy helicopters. But there's never been much in between stuff that you can carry on your back, like Stinger, and high end systems like Patriot (which has never shot down an enemy aircraft, but have destroyed several friendlies so far.) ---- JAJAJAJAAJAJA que bolas!!

SLAMMRAAM has been ready for production for over five years. However, although the U.S. has developed SLAMRAAM, the U.S. Army has not yet agreed to use it, although several foreign countries (Norway, Egypt, UAE) have.

SLAMRAAM is not a unique design. In the past, there have been improvised systems, that usually had vehicles equipped with larger heat seeking missile, like the Sidewinder. Such a system, called the Chaparral, was used by the U.S. Army from the late 1960s to the late 1990s. A replacement system, Avenger, now using Stinger missiles, was introduced in 1993. But what the army really wanted was SLAMRAAM, using a larger air-to-air missile (AMRAAM). But all the army needed was shorter range system that could deal with enemy helicopters (believed to be more common than enemy jets in future wars).

SLAMRAAM has been in development since the late 1990s. The army has been criticized for taking so long, especially since the Norwegians put together a very similar system in the late 1990s. This is what inspired the U.S. Army and Marines to do the same. But it was not a high priority project. The main technical problem with these systems is integrating the missiles' control system into an air defense radar network. The Norwegians simply used the older HAWK missile system (which Patriot replaced). The U.S. Department of Defense was supposed to just adapt the Norwegian system for American use.

Five years ago, The U.S. Marine Corps cancelled their version of SLAMRAAM (called CLAWS, or Complementary Low Altitude Weapons System.) The marines didn't have the money, and didn't see an urgent enough need to go find the money. Air defense was not a big deal when American fighters rule the skies.

The U.S. Army had started work on SLAMRAAM two years after the marines began developing CLAWS. This system initially mounted four U.S. Air Force AMRAAM radar guided air-to-air missile on a hummer. A firing battery consists of one fire-control center, a radar (with a 75 kilometer range) and four to eight hummers carrying missiles. The missiles have an effective range of 25 kilometers, and can knock down cruise missiles, as well as helicopters. It was the need to knock down cruise missiles that has kept the army going.

The AMRAAM is the most modern air-to-air missile in American service, and has its own radar for making its final approach to its target. The Norwegian system (using AMRAAM) has been seen deployed around Washington DC, along with U.S. Army Avengers, for the last seven years, as a defense against any terrorist aircraft attempting to attack. The SLAMRAAM concept, as first developed in Norway, has been adopted by several other countries (including Spain and Kuwait).

A box launcher is used by the Norwegian system (called NASAMS). The ground launched AMRAAM can hit targets as high as 4,200 meters (13,000 feet). NASAMS was developed so that it could easily work with different search radars. The AMRAAM SAM costs more (about $600,000 each) compared to the air-to-air version (about $380,000), but is basically the same missile. The four meter (twelve foot) long AMRAAM has a 22.7 kg (fifty pound) warhead, and can take down just about anything that flies, including wide-body commercial transports.

The army is has been taking a lot of heat from Congress over the delays in getting SLAMRAAM into service. But with a war on, SLAMRAAM was a low priority project that was being given just enough money and attention to keep the lights on, not to push the system out the door and into the hands of the troops who don't really need it at the moment. Thus the cancellation of SLAMRAAM is really no surprise to those who follow U.S. Army air defense issues, and everyone else really doesn't care.

DJ-ZG escribió:Claro, que para eso, se compra el slamraam chino y listo, canino a defecar! Very Happy

Sera muy bueno pero es mucho mejor un desarrollo nacional

duway666 escribió:no tienen buena calidad pero se ve algodon...

Daniel Ramirez (Zucarito) escribió:Esas antenas parecen las roba señal ochenteras JAJAJAJAJAJAJAAJAJA!!!

vympel escribió:
sigue siendo haci las pantallas de control?
el sistema RF ACLOS cuando se utiliza la camara termal como se maneja, por el operario o tiene un sistema automatico?

delta074 escribió:

vympel escribió:
sigue siendo haci las pantallas de control?
el sistema RF ACLOS cuando se utiliza la camara termal como se maneja, por el operario o tiene un sistema automatico?

Vimpel no seas flojo; Hay pag ya debatidas sobre ello . Busca

Saludos

Chaco escribió:Aquí unas fotos del S-300P su cabina de control y un enlace.





http://vpk-news.ru/photographs/gallery/634/

vympel escribió:
mi pregunta es:
cuando se utiliza las camara para guiar el misil por lo que lei se apagan el radar de bloque UV-10 y se sigue guiando el arma con la antena uv-12 segun lo que entendi es guiado por el operario por CLOS
esto es automatico o es el operario guiandolo a ojo?

recibieron los señuelos de radar que se disponen alrededor de los unv-2m?

guaripete escribió:

recibieron los señuelos de radar que se disponen alrededor de los unv-2m?

eso nunca se sabrá con seguridad al menos por ahora, los señuelos son parte delicada del sistema y seguro no veremos fotos de ellos por un buen tiempo.
cosa delicada donde la haya