REEMPLAZO PARA EL SISTEMA F-16 FIGHTING FALCON DE LA AVIACION MILITAR BOLIVARIANA

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Jajajaja...   porque no la pusiste en el foro de Milicia, esa foto esta muy buena, y es lo que quise decir con el coñazo de viejitos en la milicia, por ahora la milicia esta en pañales, despúes ya veremos....

With the MiG-29 on steroids, who needs the Rafale
September 3, 2013 Rakesh Krishnan Simha
With the air defence MiG-29s being upgraded to an advanced multirole aircraft, the Indian Air Force could save more than $10 billion by scratching the Rafale.

More than a year after the French Rafale won the Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) dogfight, a contract is nowhere in sight – forget the delivery date. Not only is it the usual drawn-out drama that comes with India’s defence acquisitions, it is also clear the French have overpromised on the technology transfer provisions and now want to welch out.

The delay in the signing of the MMRCA contract, along with the high-octane upgrade of the Indian Air Force (IAF) MiG-29 Fulcrum and the advanced state of gestation of India’s fifth generation fighter, the Sukhoi PAK-FA, are creating a situation where the Rafale seems superfluous to India’s defence requirements.

The biggest game changer is the ongoing upgrade to the IAF’s Fulcrum fleet which will convert them to the MiG-29SMT. This means these aircraft will now be on a par with the advanced MiG-29M. “The MiG-29SMT upgrade will represent a major step forward for the aircraft on multiple fronts,” says Air Force Technology.
Most Indian Fulcrums are MiG-29Bs, downgraded by removing Russian IFF (Identify Friend or Foe) and datalink equipment, and a subpar radar. (This is standard practice by all manufacturing nations which reserve the most advanced versions for their own defence forces while exporting stepped down models.)

The IAF has speeded up the MiG-29B upgrade programme because of two factors.

One, an impending fighter crunch. Hundreds of MiG-21 interceptors and MiG-23 interceptors and fighter bombers have been retired, and the long-serving MiG-27 ground attack fighter won’t be around very long. The 118 British Jaguars – which have been highly accident prone – may also have to be withdrawn from their deep penetration roles in view of the improvement in air defences in India’s neighbourhood.

Secondly, India’s Light Combat Aircraft, Tejas, which was to have filled the void created by the MiG-21’s exit, remains flight shy. The three-decade long programme is suffering from all sorts of problems, leaving India with a huge gap in its light interceptor fleet.

MiG-29 on steroids

Defense Industry Daily (DID) reports the 62 upgraded MiG-29s – 54 single-seat fighters and 8 trainers – will join the Mirage-2000 fleet in the IAF’s multirole middle-tier category. This is a category that is above the MiG-21s/27s and below the Sukhoi-30 MKIs. The upgrade will change their role from air-superiority planes to full multirole fighters with modern air-to-air and air-to-ground weapons.

The planes will be fitted with upgraded weapons and a new avionics suite, including the Phazatron Zhuk-ME radar. The Zhuk-ME’s acquisition range has increased 1.5 times. It also adds terrain following mode, and ground target acquisition including high-resolution synthetic aperture radar (SAR) to obtain a better picture than is possible with conventional radar.

After the $964 million upgrade, the Fulcrums are expected to remain in service for 10-15 more years, with their safe flight-hour lifetimes extended from 25 years/2,500 hours to 40 years/3,500 hours.

The IAF is also bulking up its middle tier by upgrading its 51 Mirage 2000s to a standard similar to the latest Mirage 2000-5. Flying with new radar and new weapons, the upgraded fighters can be expected to serve until around 2030.

Including aircraft under order, India’s Sukhoi-30 MKI fleet is currently pegged at 272. It is an impressive number for such a high-end and expensive weapons platform. This shows a keen sense of judgement by the IAF, which realizes that 100 percent fleet utilisation is impossible and having a large number of aircraft around is the key to getting the job done.

“These aircraft will be the high end of India’s air power, and can be expected to remain in the force past 2030, and are competitive with or superior to top-end European fighters and American F-15 variants,” says DID.

Even allowing for the inevitable delays – with India insisting on various customisations – Sukhoi’s fifth generation stealth fighter will be entering service well before 2030. Under these circumstances, the Rafale is too late to the party.
Rafale: Reasons for buying

To be sure, the primary reason for selecting a Western aircraft – ahead of more potent Russian alternatives – is to reduce dependence on one vendor country.

The other objective is to acquire the full technology suite of a modern aircraft for local production. French technology is being pitched as the magic potion that will save the Tejas programme, while also providing a large boost to aerospace and defence electronics industries in India. Basically, it will allow India to move up from screwdriver technology to building entire fighter aircraft from scratch.

But will Dassault, which builds the Rafale, oblige? The French newspaper L’Usine Nouvelle cites complex electronics, and especially the Thales AESA radar, as being difficult to transfer. The Delhi-based Daily Pioneer predicts a “stream of news reports that we’ve already heard a thousand times before will come out telling us how unprepared our institutions are to receive this technology”.

There is no reason for the IAF to accept a downgraded Rafale. In view of the massive fall in living standards in the West in general and mass unemployment in France in particular, it is France, not India that has to compromise. The alternative for Dassault is the closure of its Rafale plant. Someone should sit with the French and show them the mirror.

The IAF is clear that it does not want to repeat the story of the HF-24 Marut fighter – the first Indian supersonic aircraft – which was developed in the 1960s by HAL and the freelancing German aerospace engineer Kurt Tank. Like the Tejas, the Marut too was an underpowered aircraft that was quietly retired.

If the French do not deliver the technology, there is no point spending billions on sterile imports – unless someone in the vicinity of South Block is seriously committed to kickbacks.

Rafale’s costs may defy gravity

Another problem with the Rafale is the ballooning cost. The MMRCA was a requirement of the 2000s but the extended competition has inflated costs to stratospheric levels – from $10 billion a decade ago to around $20 billion, according to the New Delhi-based Institute for Defence Studies & Analysis (IDSA). Plus, nobody reckoned with the falling rupee, which has also increased the cost per plane.

DID believes the 100 or so Rafales would offer some compatibilities with the upgraded Mirage 2000s, but will come at about twice the Sukhoi-30 MKI’s price. “If budget pressures intervene and Tejas continues to lag, India could be forced to buy a less expensive mid-tier plane instead,” it says.

That plane could well be the MiG-29SMT. Its variant, the MiG-35 could easily replace the Rafale if India scratches the MMRCA and opts for a government to government deal instead.

Need for spending wisely

Acquiring the Rafale at such a prohibitive cost is extravagance which India cannot afford at a time when economic growth has hit an embarrassing 5 percent and the rupee is in free fall. “While it was presumed a few years ago that funds for defence would not be a constraint in the future, a slowing economy has led to these funds being curtailed,” says the IDSA. “The writing on the wall is clear: resource constraints are looming for the armed forces.”

When advanced Russian aircraft are available for less than half the price of the Rafale, it would be prudent to wait before signing on the line that is dotted. The money can be better spent on beefing up the Tejas programme. For the kind of cash we are talking, there is a hell of a lot of red hot technology that cash strapped defence companies in the West will part with.
http://indrus.in/blogs/2013/09/03/with_the_mig-29_on_steroids_who_needs_the_rafale_29025.html

Arpia escribió:La verdad es que ni yo lo hubiera dicho mejor, ahí les va un balde de agua fría a los carpeteros pues....

Compatriota Arpia, partiendo del artículo esto es un balde agua fría pero cubitos incorporados en contra del Rafale.

ya veo mas de uno llorando por el rafale

Pues es algo que ya se ha discutido, con una lógica bestial y muy fría, y todavía aparecen pendejos hablando del avión francés, por mucho general que sea, si alguien sueña con Rafales es porque esta empepadisimo con ese perol, pero es un chupa presupuestos del carajos en momentos que se requieren números, todos sabemos que ya la AMB no puede andar comprando 12 avioncitos híper caros de un modelo por muy capaces que sean solo serán 12 pavos, que a la hora del té será muy pocos y muy caros para llevar el gruesos de las operaciones, cuando por el mismo precio se pueden comprar 36 MIG-35, o 48 MIG-29SMT, ni hablar de las Lumpias J-10, de paso aquí revienta un peo en medio oriente y de una los franchutes nos vetan, porque al no recibir su petróleo van a presionar junto con los gringos para que seamos su tanque de gasolina mientras dure el chaparrón, y no nos necesitan armados y pensando en que somos soberanos, nos necesitan, desarmados y brutos, la otra si siguen guevoniendo para dar de baja al F-16, y si revienta el peo más grande con Rusia o China, tal vez estos ya no puedan suministrar los aviones, teniendo que seguir guevoniando con los F-16, que si los mandan para una unidad de segundo escalón pues no hay problema y ahí mueren, ya les sale matica de café, 30 años llevando rosca muy bueno salió, no le pidan peras al olmo, pero ya necesitan su relevo y a tiempo…

Arpia escribió:Jajajaja...   porque no la pusiste en el foro de Milicia, esa foto esta muy buena, y es lo que quise decir con el coñazo de viejitos en la milicia, por ahora la milicia esta en pañales, despúes ya veremos....

Lo que no sabe chopos es que esos viejitos vienen con AESA  

Yo creo, que la mejor opción sería, la construcción bajo licencia, ya sea: MIG-29; MIG-35; ó el J-10. Eso sí, en asociación con algunos paises de Sur América. Pudiera estar integrada por, BRASIL; ARGENTINA; PERU; ECUADOR; y hasta CUBA. De otra manera, ningún país de Sur América está en capacidad de hacer una compra significativa, para exigir lo mejor que pudieran ofrecer los diferentes fabricantes.
Saludos!

que bueno seria yaracuy, el detalle esta en que los rusos aprendieron q eso de dar permiso no deja dividendos ya q india esta haciendo los suyos ahora, igual china e iran que probara un homologo nacional de s-300, q tal...

Pero, según creo, en la enésima licitación convocada por BRASIL en su programa FX, ellos pedían transferencia tecnológica y los rusos estaban de acuerdo en dársela, a cambio de ganar la licitación.
Saludos!

Interesante foto del MASK 2013 ahi se ven dos modelos que dificilemnte se verian juntos.. y dos de los comentados como reemplazo del f-16

no distingo los modelos

Uno es de los Carpeteros...  

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ya si si ya pille jejej

vudu 1 escribió:no distingo los modelos

en esa imagen se ve dos rafales ,seis k8 ,y un j10

gracias ya filtre la foto

Esos no crteo sean K-8, parecen mas L-39

si creo que son los checos gringos novochody

puede que tengan razon esos dos se parecen muchos el k-8 y L-39

Armetalic escribió:nah men eso de transferencias tecnológicas ah sino puro adorno de discurso, lo maximo que nos han dado es la construcción bajo licencia de los AK y el mantenimiento de los helos y aeronaves.. nada de "construir nosotros" en lo aeronáutico. nosotros tenemos que matarnos a hacer nuestras vainas y si dan la fuer$$a para hacerlo. pero el principal problema es que aquí no les gusta invertir sino ganar comisiones.

see ya suponia eso, arme pero yo creo que sabiendo hacer las cosas da para disfrutar de esas comisiones..... OJO NO SOY esperto en eso, pero se aprende a sacar concluccione jajaja, sino preguntenle al borges y al caldera

La Fuerza aérea Rusa adquiere 16 MiG-29SMT
Noticias Fuerza aérea Rusa


El ministerio de defensa ruso y RSK MiG han firmado un contrato para el suministro de 16 aviones MiG-29SMT a la VVS Rusa por un total de 340 millones de € o 472 millones de $. Eso deja el precio por aparato en unos 29 millones de $...

http://charly015.blogspot.com.es/2014/04/la-fuerza-aerea-rusa-adquiere-16-mig.html

Con ese precio de venta, creo que deberia ser una opcion seria a considerar.

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