Fragatas y Corbetas

ARV Mariscal Sucre escribió:Lo primero que tiene que hacer la Armada es recuperar sus astilleros y hacerlos eficientes. Sin eso puedes podrás comprar lo que quieras, pero no durará en el tiempo.

Luego de eso si comprar lo que necesitas y seguir en la capacitación del personal de mantenimiento e ir diseñando y construyendo embarcaciones que sirvan poco guardacostas y patrulleros fluviales.

Creo que el ejemplo a seguir está en COCTEMAR, aunque muchos se rasguen las vestiduaras.

ARV Mariscal Sucre escribió:El dilema es que no tenemos alternativas,

-Los sistemas occidentales están vetados
-Los de otra procedencia no le gustan ni a la Armada
-Nuestros astilleros son incapaces siquiera de pegar un tornillo

Sueños húmedos por desgracia, a seguir comprando blindados para la Armada

Gerardo escribió:A mi no me gusta la industria naval rusa pero a falta de opciones pues... esta es la versión export de las Buyan (sin la M)

http://www.oaoosk.ru/en/products/tornado/

Gerardo, CONSIDERO que en vez de apostar por los navios tipo Buyan (sin la M) , podemos visualizar la opción de corbetas  "Karakurt"
Karakurt-class corvette (Project 22800)
The Project 22800 corvettes, codenamed Karakurt (Russian: малые ракетные корабли проекта 22800, шифр «Каракурт») is a new missile corvette class under construction for the Russian Navy. The new class is intended to be a more seaworthy, blue  water  complement to the Buyan-M class corvettes, which had been designed for the littoral zone and are currently serving in Russia’s Caspian Flotilla and Black Sea Fleet.
The first two ships were laid down on 24 December 2015, and as of July 2016, four are under construction. In August 2016, it was reported that a total of seven ships have been ordered from the Pella shipyard (at least one of which will be built at More in Crimea), and that five further ships of the class have been ordered from the Zelenodolsk shipyard. The first ship is to join the navy in 2018. The Karakurts are to be armed with the Kalibr-NK long range cruise missile and the P-800 Onyx medium-range anti-ship missile and have an endurance of 15 days.



Class overview
Name: Project 22800, codename: Karakurt
Builders: Pella shipyard
More shipyard
                 Zelenodolsk shipyard
Operators:  Russian Navy
Preceded by: Buyan-M class corvette
Subclasses:   Project 22800
In service:  Present-2018
Building:  6
Planned:  18

General characteristics
Type: Corvette
Displacement: 800 tons
Length: 65 m (213 ft)
Beam: 10 m (33 ft)
Draught: 4 m (13 ft)
Draft: 2 m (7 ft)
Speed: 30 knots (56 km/h; 35 mph)
Range: 2,500 nmi (4,600 km; 2,900 mi)
Endurance: 15 days
Armament:
1 × 76.2 mm 59-caliber AK–176MA automatic dual-purpose gun
1 × Pantsir-M
2 × 4 UKSK VLS cells with Kalibr-NK system or P-800 Onix
2 × 14.5 mm MTPU machineguns


https://thaimilitaryandasianregion.wordpress.com/2016/11/12/karakurt-class-corvette-project-22800/

Gerardo escribió:Por cuestiones de costo eficacia las Buyan serian buen reemplazo de las Vosper.

Gerardo escribió:Si es para navíos mas grandes pero rusos hay un buen chance de adquirir las fragatas Admirante Grigorivich que le quedaron a los rusos (creo que 3 o 4) puesto que estas tienen turbinas ucranianas y se quedaron sin respaldo, quizás a los rusos le interese salir de estas naves que no tienen soporte de repuestos y el reemplazo local aun le falta varios años.

Incluso las que tenían listas en los astilleros fueron ofrecidas a la india sin las turbinas para que la india luego se las montara localmente procedentes de Ucrania, imagino que las compraron a precio de ganga

Xamber escribió:EL C-803 es el mismo C-802 o es otro misil ?

Confusion between the YJ-82, C-802, and "C-803"
The US military considers the C-802 and C-802A as parts of the YJ-83 family.

The C-802 precedes the closely related YJ-83; strictly speaking, only the C-802A is the export development of the YJ-83. The C-802 is sometimes and erroneously considered the export version of the YJ-82; the two are separate developments.

A prospective "C-803" was erroneously promulgated as the export version of the YJ-83 by enthusiasts in the late-1990s. As yet, no such missile exists.

C803
Since about 2002, the “C803” designation has worked its way into just about every Western naval systems book and article. And yet, in over ten years of reporting there has been no formal evidence to support its existence. If one examines the brochures, placards, and mockup displays that CPMIEC has put up at the various arm shows throughout the years, nowhere will the designation “C803” be found. Never. For example, Figure 12 shows a flat screen display at the CPMIEC booth at the Airshow China 2010 expo. The display lists, by range, all the ASCMs that China had on the market – the C701, C704, C802, C705, C802A, and the C602. Furthermore, there was a full mockup display of each of the above missiles on the exhibition hall floor, as well as a smaller scale model. A missile with the “C803” designation was conspicuous by its absence. The recent Zhuhai Airshow China 2012 also lacked any mention of the C803, even though numerous new missile variants were presented to the public for the first time. That is because the “C803,” if it exists at all, is likely still in the developmental stage, probably in early flight testing, and isn’t ready to be marketed."

Gerardo escribió:Tenia entendido que el C-803 era la version export del YJ-83

Gerardo escribió:que desastre... y el CG-24 tamanaco ahora chavez imagino quue paralizado

Gerardo escribió:Venezuela se quedo sin escuadra, no hay capacidad e combate las Lupo son museos y las POV no sirven pa un sipote.

Que desastre... y la guinda de la torta sin MPA

Y aun salen con la paja del sol de Venezuela sale por el esequibo... puras frases huecas

Así es..! Y según esa demagogia chavistoide-maburrista-sucialista se esconderá ese sol en la CIJ en La Haya vía Georgetown, por los desaciertos de estos malparidos en política exterior sobre esta materia de interés y prioridad nacional..!

seaman escribió:

Xamber escribió:EL C-803 es el mismo C-802 o es otro misil ?

Ni lo uno ni lo otro, sino todo lo contrario... El C-803 no existe.

Confusion between the YJ-82, C-802, and "C-803"
The US military considers the C-802 and C-802A as parts of the YJ-83 family.

The C-802 precedes the closely related YJ-83; strictly speaking, only the C-802A is the export development of the YJ-83. The C-802 is sometimes and erroneously considered the export version of the YJ-82; the two are separate developments.

A prospective "C-803" was erroneously promulgated as the export version of the YJ-83 by enthusiasts in the late-1990s. As yet, no such missile exists.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YJ-83