T-72B1

jc65 escribió:Gracias por la respuesta, lo preguntaba porque se ve bien grande el misil, pero pensandolo bien, igual deben ser las rondas de 90mm.

Xamber escribió:Armor el Skorpion fue el primer tanque venezolano en portar municion   APFSDS  ?

pd. Miren esto MBT-3000

Pero me gustan mas los Coreanos...del Sur.... los tanques.. Verga:( Verga:(

Xamber escribió:

Pero me gustan mas los Coreanos...del Sur.... los tanques.. Verga:( Verga:(

Como dice mi mama, "se te va a empollar el pico" ... jajaja yo soy fanatico del T-80 y sus versiones nuevas ucranianas, aunque he leido que al parecer no son tan buenos, que tienen problemas de acabado.

Ese tanque es una verdadera máquina... cuando lo prenden parece estar al lado de una turbina de un avión a reacción...

Xamber escribió:

Ese tanque es una verdadera máquina... cuando lo prenden parece estar al lado de una turbina de un avión a reacción...

Exacto, pero cuantos tanques nescesitariamos nosotros, o podriamos comprar o mantener ?

En el garaje no nos deben caber mas de 200-300 en casos extremisimos...

En casos reales, pues 120 u 80, T-80, no deben ser tan imposibles de mantener, y precisamente la turbina, es lo mejor y lo peor que tiene, dime tu que te da mas potencia que una turbina ?

A ese peso de menos de 50 tn, una cosa es un abrahams con turbina que es un pesadito pero los peroles rusos que son hasta menudos ... pues tendria una movilidad demoledora, hasta el T-90 puede incorporar la famosa turbina a peticion de comprador claro esta .

Que ademas los Bradleys de la Caballería no son IFV.... son CFV (Cavalry Fighting Vehicle) Vehículo de Combate de Caballería, (Bradley M3) que a diferencia de la versión IFV, (Bradley M2) no lleva 6 infantes sino, dos exploradores, adicional, el vehículo lleva sistemas de reconocimiento, mayor cantidad de munición para el cañón y más misiles AT... mismo vehículo, diferente función...

The BRM-3K CRV is intended to perform battlefield and artillery positions reconnaissance for ground forces and coastal defence units in any weather conditions.

Main missions are ground target acquisition, identification and coordinate measurement as well as target engagement.

Navigation and communications aids ensure continuous direction finding and radio links at a range of 100 to 350 km.

The CRV uses engine, gear and water jets of the BMP-3 IFV retaining reliability, cross-country manoeuvrability and combat survivability of the latter.

The built-in armament comprises 30 mm automatic gun and 7.62 mm coaxial machine gun. Provision is made for the ATGM system, 6 assault rifles and 15 hand grenades.

The crew is protected against bullets and projectiles by armour steel hull and turret, and against WMD effects by NBC system.

Development
In 1993, it was revealed that a new version of the Russian BMP-3 Infantry Combat Vehicle (ICV) had been built specifically for the battlefield reconnaissance role under the provisional designation of Model 501.

Early in 1995, it was disclosed that this vehicle is referred to as the BRM combat reconnaissance vehicle in the Russian Army, or the Lynx (Rys). It is also known as the BMP-3K.

The chassis of the BRM combat reconnaissance vehicle is provided by the Kurgan Machine Construction Plant, which is the prime contractor for the chassis, while the systems integrator is the PO Rubtsovskiy Machine Building Plant.

The role of the BRM combat reconnaissance vehicle is to undertake battlefield and artillery reconnaissance for ground troops and coastal units of the navy by day and night and under all weather conditions.

The BRM vehicle can carry out the following missions:

(1) Surveillance of the terrain, search, detection and identification of the ground (surface), fixed, moving and concealed targets

(2) Determination of target rectangular co-ordinates within 360° with an accuracy of 20 m

(3) Continuous computation of navigational data and indication of the directional angle to the assigned point of destination

(4) Round-the-clock radio communications at a range of 100 km whilst moving and up to 350 km when stationary (5) Establishment of an observation post at up to 500 m from the BRM vehicle by means of wire communication or up to 6 km by means of a portable UHF station

(6) Engaging air and land targets while the BRM is stationary or moving under both day and night conditions.

Description
Externally, the BRM reconnaissance vehicle is very similar to the standard BMP-3 ICV which entered service with the Russian Army some years ago and is now also used by Cyprus, Kuwait, South Korea and the United Arab Emirates (Abu Dhabi).

The main external differences include only two firing pons in the rear troop compartment, deletion of the two (one either side) bow-mounted 7.62 mm PKT machine guns and removal of the 100 mm 2A70 rifled gun which fires conventional ammunition as well as the 100 mm 9M117 Bastion laser-guided missile.

The new reconnaissance vehicle retains the three crew seats and hatches at the front of the vehicle with the centre one being for the driver. There appear to be additional observation devices over the frontal arc in the forward part of the hull and a stowage box on the left side of the hull just above the track guard.

The commander and gunner, who also operate the turret-mounted electro-optical devices, are seated in the turret, with the sixth crew member probably being seated to the rear of the turret in the troop compartment to operate the battlefield surveillance radar.

The six-man crew consists of the reconnaissance group commander, vehicle commander, gunner, driver/mechanic, navigator/computer operator and wireless operator.

The fire-control system installed in the BRM includes the BPK2-42 periscopic combined day/night sight, PPB-2 periscopic monocular sight, 2E52-1 armament stabiliser and the BETs-088 control system. As the 100 mm 2A70 gun of the BMP-3 is removed there is no missile laser guidance system for the BRM vehicle.

Main armament of the BRM is the dual-feed 30 mm 2A72 cannon which can engage armoured targets at a range of 1,500 to 2,000 m and helicopters out to a range of 4,000 m and is fully stabilised.

Cyclic rate of fire of the 30 mm 2A72 cannon is 300 rds/min and three types of ammunition can be fired, API, HE-I and HE-T.

Mounted coaxially to the left of the 30 mm cannon is the standard 7.62 mm PKT machine gun with a practical rate of fire of 250 rds/min and a maximum effective range of 1,500 m.

Like the BMP-3 ICV, the new reconnaissance variant has two banks of three 81 mm electrically operated smoke grenade launchers covering the frontal arc, although these are positioned lower down the turret front than on the original BMP-3.

Turret traverse is probably the same as the standard BMP-3 - through a full 360°, with weapon elevation from -5 to +60°. Turret traverse and weapon elevation are all-electric with manual controls for emergency use.

Equipment installed to enable the vehicle to carry out its specialised reconnaissance role includes the mast-mounted 1RL-133-1 battlefield surveillance radar, which can be retracted into the vehicle when not operating; the 1PN71 thermal night observation device; the 1PN61 night observation device; and the ID14 periscopic laser range-finder.

The electro-optical devices are mounted on either side of the turret and, when not being used, the optics are covered by a hinged shutter that opens to the left.

The 1D14 periscopic laser range-finder has a magnification of x 7.3 and x 18 and a maximum range of 25,000 m. This laser is mounted on a turntable and can be used by the vehicle commander for reconnaissance purposes with an arc of 60° regardless of the position of the turret.

The 1PN61 active pulse night vision device with laser illuminator has a magnification of x 7 and a range of 1,500 m in the passive mode and 3,000 m in the active mode. This is mounted externally on the right side of the turret.

The 1PN71 thermal observation device operates in the 8 to 14 |im waveband and has a magnification of x 3.7 and x 11.5 and maximum target identification range is 3,000 m. This is mounted externally on the left side of the turret.

The 1RL-133-1 radar detects vehicles out to a range of 8,000 to 10,000 m and people out to a range of 4,000 m, with the actual ranges depending on the terrain. The radar can be elevated to a height of 1 m and traversed 240° left and right regardless of the turret position.

It is also fitted with the latest TNA-4-6 navigation device, 1T129 coordinator and the 1G50 gyrocompass to enable it to determine quickly its own position on the battlefield.

Communications equipment fitted includes R-163-50U, R-163-50K and R-163-10U radios plus a 1V520 electronic computer. Information would normally be collated in the vehicle and then transmitted to the next chain of command.

A 4 kW generator is provided in the rear of the vehicle to allow the electronic equipment to be operated with the main engine shut down.

If required, the vehicle can be fitted with additional reconnaissance equipment to enable an observation post to be established up to 6 km away from the base vehicle.

Standard equipment includes a fire detection and suppression system and an NBC system. The vehicle is also fully amphibious, being propelled in the water by two water-jets mounted one either side at the rear. Before entering the water the trim vane is erected at the front of the vehicle and the bilge pumps activated.

Weapons carried for use by the crew of the BRM include six assault rifles and 15 hand grenades. An ATGW system for dismounted use can be carried.

Xamber escribió:... es la version china del BMD-4.

Rusia tiene otro modelo exclusivo para el reconocimiento que es el BRDM (Boyevaya Razvedyvatelnaya Dozornaya Mashina) literalmente vehículo de exploración.

BRDM-3

Armored reconnaissance vehicle



The BRDM-3 armored reconnaissance vehicle is intended to operate up to 120 km behind the enemy lines. It is based on the BTR-80A armored personnel carrier. It is unknown if this vehicle was accepted to service with Russian army. It is worth mentioning that some sources incorrectly refer the name for the ATGM carrier variant of the BRDM-2. In 2012 eight of these reconnaissance vehicles were delivered to Kenya.
Armor protection of the BRDM-3 is similar to that of the BTR-80A armored personnel carrier. Front arc provides protection against 12.7-mm rounds, while all-round protection is against 7.62-mm rounds and artillery shell splinters. Vehicle is also fitted with NBC protection system.
The BRDM-3 is armed with remotely controlled 30-mm cannon and coaxial 7.62-mm machine gun. It's 30-mm cannon has a range of effective fire of 2 km at daytime and 800 meters at night.
Unlike other modern reconnaissance vehicles the BRDM-3 do not carries sophisticated reconnaissance equipment.
Vehicle has a crew of 6, including commander, gunner, driver and three scouts. Troops enter and leave the vehicle through side doors or roof hatches. The BRDM-3 carries some reconnaissance equipment.
The BRDM-3 is powered by a KamAZ-7403 turbocharged diesel engine, developing 260 horsepower. Engine and transmission are mounted in one module for easier replacement in field conditions. The BRDM-3 has a central tyre pressure system and is fitted with run-flat tyres. This reconnaissance vehicle is fully-amphibious without any preparation. On water it is propelled by a single waterjet.

Due escribió:

Xamber escribió:... es la version china del BMD-4.

Es el estribillo chino del tema BMD-2.
Por una semejante palanca del enlace ( de la mira con el cañón) rompería las manos de sus ingenieros.

Xamber escribió:

Rusia tiene otro modelo exclusivo para el reconocimiento que es el BRDM (Boyevaya Razvedyvatelnaya Dozornaya Mashina) literalmente vehículo de exploración.

Ese es muy antiguo mira este .

BRDM-3

Armored reconnaissance vehicle



The BRDM-3 armored reconnaissance vehicle is intended to operate up to 120 km behind the enemy lines. It is based on the BTR-80A armored personnel carrier. It is unknown if this vehicle was accepted to service with Russian army. It is worth mentioning that some sources incorrectly refer the name for the ATGM carrier variant of the BRDM-2. In 2012 eight of these reconnaissance vehicles were delivered to Kenya.
  Armor protection of the BRDM-3 is similar to that of the BTR-80A armored personnel carrier. Front arc provides protection against 12.7-mm rounds, while all-round protection is against 7.62-mm rounds and artillery shell splinters. Vehicle is also fitted with NBC protection system.
  The BRDM-3 is armed with remotely controlled 30-mm cannon and coaxial 7.62-mm machine gun. It's 30-mm cannon has a range of effective fire of 2 km at daytime and 800 meters at night.
  Unlike other modern reconnaissance vehicles the BRDM-3 do not carries sophisticated reconnaissance equipment.
  Vehicle has a crew of 6, including commander, gunner, driver and three scouts. Troops enter and leave the vehicle through side doors or roof hatches. The BRDM-3 carries some reconnaissance equipment.
  The BRDM-3 is powered by a KamAZ-7403 turbocharged diesel engine, developing 260 horsepower. Engine and transmission are mounted in one module for easier replacement in field conditions. The BRDM-3 has a central tyre pressure system and is fitted with run-flat tyres. This reconnaissance vehicle is fully-amphibious without any preparation. On water it is propelled by a single waterjet.

Practicamente un btr-80...

No ´se que tiene ese diferente al BTR80A... sistemas de vigilancia? ópticos? de verdad no sé, creo que tampoco esta en producción... estoy elucubrando aquí.

Xamber escribió:

No ´se que tiene ese diferente al BTR80A... sistemas de vigilancia? ópticos? de verdad no sé, creo que tampoco esta en producción... estoy elucubrando aquí.

Es que los BDRM-1/2, son muy viejos y desprotegidos aunque al parecer si se llegaron a usar...

Xamber escribió:El 3, pues la pagina que lo encontré dice que no tiene datos de que se haya usado en Rusia. Asi que capaz usaron a otro vehiculo como de reconocimiento, seguro no se empleo o tal vez si, quien sabe.

Armor escribió:

delta074 escribió:
Para nada es obsoleto amigo(te quedaste con el disco que te rayaron), se demostró que el T72 B1V no lo recibimos como trataron de venderlos en todos los foros, lo cual genero nuestra carta de protesta;"Que traía los mismos accesorios tal y cual como salio en su primera Versión.

Due Demostró que el MBT traía accesorios que si bien no era la ultima generación en tecnología,si traía Actualizaciones y modernizaciones a acordes a nuestra amenazas...¿Si no entendemos esto?....No se quien te lo puede explicar.

Realmente no sé como Due lo demostró, mas allá de explicaciones técnicas...

Y si seguimos, repetiré lo mismo...

No hay actualizaciones.

"No se quien te lo puede explicar."

delta074 escribió:Para no ligar los temas...Lo traslado al tema respectivo, ya que Due no ve este tema y que el mismo responda y te explique tu inquietud...La mía esta clara como la Luna Llena

Armor escribió:

delta074 escribió:
Para nada es obsoleto amigo(te quedaste con el disco que te rayaron), se demostró que el T72 B1V no lo recibimos como trataron de venderlos en todos los foros, lo cual genero nuestra carta de protesta;"Que traía los mismos accesorios tal y cual como salio en su primera Versión.

Due Demostró que el MBT traía accesorios que si bien no era la ultima generación en tecnología,si traía Actualizaciones y modernizaciones a acordes a nuestra amenazas...¿Si no entendemos esto?....No se quien te lo puede explicar.

Realmente no sé como Due lo demostró, mas allá de explicaciones técnicas...

Y si seguimos, repetiré lo mismo...

No hay actualizaciones.

"No se quien te lo puede explicar."

Xamber escribió:Lo mismo a veces se llego a decir de los tanques sovieticos, que el retroceso del cañon podia dejar al artillero sin hombro ...

Armor escribió:Ya lo comenté una vez, creen que Due va a hablar mal de sus productos??